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Sex slavery still alive and well in England

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Monday, March 19, 2007 3:32 AM

KHYRON



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/6459369.stm

Young women tricked into coming to England, often by boyfriends, are being sold off in auctions at airport coffee shops as soon as they arrive.

They are among the thousands of women brought into the UK to be sex slaves, usually with no idea of their fate. The trade was one of the findings of a BBC News website investigation into slavery in 21st Century England. As the UK marks 200 years since the Parliamentary Act to abolish the slave trade, slavery goes on in another form. The slave trade, outlawed by legislation introduced in March 1807, saw people from Africa transported en masse to the Americas by the UK and other European countries. Modern day victims of slavery are often young women from eastern Europe, thinking they are coming to England to work as cleaners or au pairs, only to be forced into prostitution. The Home Office estimated in 2003 that 4,000 women were trafficked into the UK for sexual exploitation. It is thought the figure may have grown since. Police forces from Cornwall to Northumbria have found themselves having to rescue women and prosecute the traffickers who brought them to England to work as sex slaves. And as well as foreign citizens coming to the UK, charity workers in Manchester told the BBC they believed British women working in massage parlours had been sold abroad, because they owed the owners money. Child protection organisations and human rights groups also believe there are thousands of child sex slaves in the UK.

The UK Human Trafficking Centre was opened last year to co-ordinate the law-enforcement approach to the problem. A spokesman told the BBC women were sometimes sold off in auctions in airport coffee shops and restaurants as they arrived in the country. And he said there were also many cases of English women, from backgrounds of poverty, being sold from town to town to work as prostitutes. But it is now believed that as many as 85% of women working in brothels in the UK have come from overseas - in the mid-1990s, an estimated 85% were UK citizens. Operation Pentameter, a Home Office initiative aimed at rescuing sex workers held against their will carried out between January and July 2006, saw 84 trafficked women rescued, including 12 aged 14 to 17. Some 230 arrests were made and more than £250,000 in cash was seized - but officers were only able to visit about 10% of the estimated number of sex establishments in the country.

The Poppy Project, a London-based scheme which provides accommodation and support for the women, has had 581 victims referred to it since its launch in 2003. Its own research in 2004 found evidence of "off street" prostitution in every one of London's 33 boroughs, again with the overwhelming majority of workers in brothels, saunas and massage parlours being non-British nationals. The Helen Bamber Foundation, set up to help victims of torture and other human rights violations, said women being forced into sex slavery in England were experiencing "horrific brutality", with physical violence and the psychological trauma of being forced into sex. Many women rescued from the sex trade have said they were sold, or strongly encouraged into heading for the UK, by boyfriends or family members. Many think they are coming to work in jobs such as cleaning or ice cream selling. Jiera, a 19-year-old from Lithuania who was helped by the Poppy Project, thought she was coming to London on holiday with friends, only to find they were people traffickers who sold her into prostitution. She said: "When I was with clients I tried to pretend I was doing something else, but I couldn't. It made me so angry that I was often violent towards the clients.

"The man who owned me beat me and then sold me on. I was too much trouble. "Even if my friends don't judge me for what happened, they will always know what I did. They will never forget, and neither can I." Many police forces - and not only in major metropolitan areas - have set up specific teams to deal with the problem. Sussex Police appointed a detective to lead investigations into sexual exploitation in November. They said they had responded to information concerning potentially exploited women working in brothels in the county almost every week since. The government prioritised human trafficking during the UK's presidency of the EU in 2005. In the next few weeks it is to lay out a strategy to counter the problem. A Home Office spokesman said: "Human trafficking is a particularly horrible crime, based on deceit, exploitation and very often brutality. "It is a crime that has a devastating effect on the lives of individuals, and contributes to the overall harm caused to the country by organised crime. "It is important for all countries, including the UK, to do whatever is necessary to develop effective enforcement, prevention and victim support systems, both internationally and domestically."


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Monday, March 19, 2007 7:12 AM

KANEMAN


I don't buy this bullshit. Who would be banging these slave whores? Certainly not English men....Shit they are all gay. Right? That's like saying American boxers are being brought to France to fight in the French Boxing Association. Whatever..........

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Monday, March 19, 2007 7:17 AM

SIGNYM

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Monday, March 19, 2007 7:18 AM

SIGNYM

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Unfortunately, sex slavery is alive and well everywhere, but especially in Thailand, Cambodia, Colombia, Brazil, the Phillipines, India and the United States.
The Modern Scourge of Sex Slavery
www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,SOF_0904_Slavery1,00.html

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Monday, March 19, 2007 7:21 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Right, and it never happens in any other country.
Take a walk down the streets of your own home town sometime.

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Monday, March 19, 2007 7:23 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
I don't buy this bullshit. Who would be banging these slave whores? Certainly not English men....Shit they are all gay. Right? That's like saying American boxers are being brought to France to fight in the French Boxing Association. Whatever..........



Hmmm, American Boxers?
Is that a kind of underwear?

If so it would'nt be possible to find a pair big enough to fit your enourmous Arse.

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Monday, March 19, 2007 7:50 AM

KHYRON


Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Right, and it never happens in any other country.
Take a walk down the streets of your own home town sometime.
Uhm, in case you thought I was an American trying to smear the UK, I live in Somerset.

I thought this article was important because this kind of stuff also happens at home and not just some crazy countries far, far away.


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Monday, March 19, 2007 8:00 AM

SIGNYM

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As far as Kaneman is concerned, nothing of interest exists outside of the USA. My apologizes for a fellow citizen.

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Monday, March 19, 2007 8:09 AM

AGENTROUKA


What freaks me out the most is the fact that there must be a big demand for forced prostitutes.

I can't imagine that most customers don't notice that the person whose time they paid for is.. terrified, totally numb and/or unwilling, even if they are acting nice with the threat of brutal violence in their minds.

Just how many otherwise "normal" men are walking around who would engage in this kind of thing?? Or is this a more specific clientele, like pedophiles? People who like to force themelves on people? Is that big business?

Are there demographic studies about customers of prostitution?

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Monday, March 19, 2007 8:28 AM

KANEMAN


"Just how many otherwise "normal" men are walking around who would engage in this kind of thing??"

Probably a lot. Shit I would do it, I just wouldn't pay for it. Isn't rape just so much easier?

Oh, this kind of thing would never happen in the US of motha fofo A. We have morals.

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Monday, March 19, 2007 9:39 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
"Just how many otherwise "normal" men are walking around who would engage in this kind of thing??"

Probably a lot. Shit I would do it, I just wouldn't pay for it. Isn't rape just so much easier?

Oh, this kind of thing would never happen in the US of motha fofo A. We have morals.


Wow, two threads in a rwo where Kaneman turns my stomach...

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Monday, March 19, 2007 1:31 PM

KHYRON


Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Are there demographic studies about customers of prostitution?
Married men.




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Monday, March 19, 2007 2:44 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Sexual slavery is thriving in the world...( what sick & demented thing isn't these days?) It is a tragic shame, but it's real. Eastern Europe is the center of Western trafficking, with girls either duped or drugged from Ukraine and the other former USSR countries, as well as the organized "normal" vile, and despicable criminalities of Asia & the Middle East.

And the Women's Rights "gang" here at home have the audacity to get their aprons all in a tizzy every time someone fails to give out a mandatory birth control kit at a kindergarden graduation.....but OH!...the deafening silence for ALL the MILLIONS of children, girls & women all over the world who are ravaged and brutalized with machine-like efficiency every day of the year....who's doing anything for them?

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Monday, March 19, 2007 5:42 PM

VETERAN

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It's true. The police raided a couple of houses in New Jersey last year. Apparently the girls living there were brought in from the Ukraine to work as dancers in strip clubs.

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Monday, March 19, 2007 9:05 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Plenty of it going on in the USA, among the illegal immigrant population, Latino and Asian. Several busts for it in Southern California in recent years, and a similar story: illegal immigrant girls brought here with the promise of jobs and better money than they can make at home. They get here, find out they owe the smugglers a lot of money, and the smugglers threaten to turn them over to the INS. They figure they'll get no protection from the cops or US gov't , only deported, so they go thru with it. Most of their customers are men from their home country, illegals in their common illegal immigrant underground culture. The luckier ones wind up in Asian Massage parlors, where they see fewer, American men.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:45 AM

KANEMAN


You people are crazy. This does not go on in the US. If it does, it happens with the same frequency as lightening striking in a washing machine....millions of women and children?....Blah!

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Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:21 PM

KANEMAN


"Plenty of it going on in the USA, among the illegal immigrant population, Latino and Asian."

Who cares? They are not actual Americans anyway....they deserve to be brutalized and forced into sex slavery....right? I'sbe kidding.......

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Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Just ask Pirate News. You're never going to put an end to sex slavery because all of the gay Jews run the world. With all the sex parties that Bush and Cheeney have been a part of they probably have so much dirt on them that they just do what they're told now cause they'd be ruined if the general public actually knew what they do when they think nobody is watching.

I don't know if it's true, but I have no reason to believe that it's not.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:09 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Yeah, it happens, and with alarming frequency, even here in the US - for tactical reasons I will not discuss this one in any detail, but two of the primary problems with addressing it here..

#1 Lack of resources, so much easier to pretend it doesn't happen when you don't have the funds or the officers to combat it because they've all been sucked up by 'homeland security' or 'the war on drugs'.

#2 Stupidity - nine times out of ten, when they do get around to busting one of these joints, they go in and arrest the girls and maybe a few johns - instead of the pimps and perps.
The girls won't give em up either, they know full well the police cannot protect them and more often than not won't even bother to, so there's no incentive.

Actual investigations would take time, effort and funding that is not allocated to this and likely never will be.

Quick shoutout here for Canada, the RCMP is *much* better about handling this issue than US Law Enforcement, even if they do often refuse to participate in international investigations regarding the matter.

-Frem

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Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:36 PM

TRUEBLUE


Most studies I know of regarding prostitution (demographic, impact of, etc) are in relation to legal prositution.

An interesting point: A recent survey of prostitutes in Queensland, Australia (there is legal and illegal prostitution in Queensland), found that work satisfaction levels amongst legal prostitutes was above average when compared with other working women. However, illegal prostitutes had well below average satisfaction and reported more instances of physical abuse.

If there was the motivation to do something to help women caught up in illegal prostitution and prosectuting those that use (and abuse) their services, this would be far less of a problem. Of course that can only really work if there is also viable legal prostitution.

Legal prostitution is an issue that often drags up moral debate, and sadly the general community often look down on the profession, so those linked to even legal prostitution are often stigmatised. This was not always the case (a number of ancient cultures had men and women who essentially had sex/sexual relations with people - who were not their husband/wife - in exchange for money or goods and these men and women were not only accepted but respected), however in Islam-Judeo-Christian beliefs sex (outside of marriage), particularly women who have (or enjoy) sex, is frowned upon (to say the least).

For those that are interested, almost all women in legal prostitution in Queensland also hold (or are in the process of getting) a tertiary degree, some have spouses, and all are covered under workplace relations laws.


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Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


While I'd like to agree with what you say, I personally don't think that legalized prostitution would be a good idea. I used to think so, but sex is quite an addicting experience and the women in the profession no doubt know this and would have very little moral dilemma ruining a man. Look how many men have an internet porn addiction and rack up insane amounts of credit card debt.... and they're not even playing with the real thing. I'm sure this happens the other way on occasion as well, but let's face it, guys are just willing to shell out a whole lot more for these services than women in most cases.

I won't pretend to know the answer, but I think it's better off remaining one of those taboo things that you should be able to do without too much trouble if you're smart enough.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:36 PM

CITIZEN


What about Amsterdam?


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Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:49 AM

KANEMAN


"Legal prostitution is an issue that often drags up moral debate, and sadly the general community often look down on the profession'

Only problem with legalizing prostitution is all the fun is taken out of it. Shit, don't you think it's better knowing that the whore's hair you are pulling was drugged, kidnapped, taken from her children and family, and dragged across the globe against her will just to give you $10 head? Of course you do.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:34 AM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Only problem with legalizing prostitution is all the fun is taken out of it. Shit, don't you think it's better knowing that the whore's hair you are pulling was drugged, kidnapped, taken from her children and family, and dragged across the globe against her will just to give you $10 head? Of course you do.


Dude........there is NO WAY you are for real...No Fracken Way Possible!

Don't get me wrong! I'm a fan! You are what it would be like if Jayne really existed and was posting on this thread.

But you gotta be an alter ego, somebody regular who's just having fun, right!? Maybe I shouldn't ask that.............might ruin all the fun.

"You can believe your eyes...or you can believe me." -Groucho Marx

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:43 AM

DEEPGIRL187


Quote:
Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:
You are what it would be like if Jayne really existed and was posting on this thread.


Not hardly. Even Jayne had some limits.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:48 AM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
While I'd like to agree with what you say, I personally don't think that legalized prostitution would be a good idea. I used to think so, but sex is quite an addicting experience and the women in the profession no doubt know this and would have very little moral dilemma ruining a man. Look how many men have an internet porn addiction and rack up insane amounts of credit card debt.... and they're not even playing with the real thing. I'm sure this happens the other way on occasion as well, but let's face it, guys are just willing to shell out a whole lot more for these services than women in most cases.

I won't pretend to know the answer, but I think it's better off remaining one of those taboo things that you should be able to do without too much trouble if you're smart enough.




... so prostitution should not be legalized and thus made easier to control and safer for women, because men are unable to control their sexual impulses and thus need to be protected from wicked prostitutes that would use them?

Do men have no pride that they would describe themselves like retarded children?

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:01 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
... so prostitution should not be legalized and thus made easier to control and safer for women, because men are unable to control their sexual impulses and thus need to be protected from wicked prostitutes that would use them?

Do men have no pride that they would describe themselves like retarded children?
Come to think of it it does rather sound like the reasoning as to why women should be forced to wear the Burka.


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Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:08 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Quote:
Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:
You are what it would be like if Jayne really existed and was posting on this thread.


Not hardly. Even Jayne had some limits.

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I have limits.....About 8 beers and 3 shots.
6 or seven slices of pizza
And about a 10 minute turn around for sex

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:14 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:
Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Only problem with legalizing prostitution is all the fun is taken out of it. Shit, don't you think it's better knowing that the whore's hair you are pulling was drugged, kidnapped, taken from her children and family, and dragged across the globe against her will just to give you $10 head? Of course you do.


Dude........there is NO WAY you are for real...No Fracken Way Possible!

Don't get me wrong! I'm a fan! You are what it would be like if Jayne really existed and was posting on this thread.

But you gotta be an alter ego, somebody regular who's just having fun, right!? Maybe I shouldn't ask that.............might ruin all the fun.

"You can believe your eyes...or you can believe me." -Groucho Marx



I am joking MOST of the time. It cracks me up to watch the puckered assholes on this board clench -up even tighter. I'm waiting for shit to back up into someone's mouth. I'll give odds on that happening to certain B'coats on this board to anyone interested. Well, it's true...........


P.S. Oh and I have about 20 alter ego accounts here.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:15 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Please ignore the trolls.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:18 AM

KHYRON


Quote:
Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:
Don't get me wrong! I'm a fan!
So am I. Okay, sometimes (s)he goes too far, but a lot of the time I find this sort of over-the-top political incorrectness hilarious.


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Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:19 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Please ignore the trolls.

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Ignore the queer types telling you to ignore the trolls......how gay is that?

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:24 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Quote:
Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:
Don't get me wrong! I'm a fan!
So am I. Okay, sometimes (s)he goes too far, but a lot of the time I find this sort of over-the-top political incorrectness hilarious.


The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.



Wow, two other people now with a sense of humor on this board....frightening.....You must be an alter ego also, some kind of lunatic acting normal. I may go to far sometimes, but better to go a little over the top here and there, someones got to make this place interesting. Well, it's true..........

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well if you find it funny that's fine.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:34 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Well if you find it funny that's fine.

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Thanks for your fucking approval sally, now I'm going back to:

Ignoring the queer types who keep telling people to ignore the trolls........Good day.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:39 AM

KANEMAN


Now that that is out of the way, can we go back to discussing sex slavery and female brutalization....I find it riveting and a little turnmeonish. I only make this request, because my girlfriend is coming over later and she likes me a bit frisky and in the mood to punch her in the face...Thank you.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK



Quote:


... so prostitution should not be legalized and thus made easier to control and safer for women, because men are unable to control their sexual impulses and thus need to be protected from wicked prostitutes that would use them?

Do men have no pride that they would describe themselves like retarded children?


What should I care even a little bit about making prostitution safer for women for. Somebody who chooses coal mining as a profession knows the risks going in. If you're a slut by profession, you're going to get diseases and you're going to get beat up pretty badly sometimes... it's the price you pay for all that easy money. Probably going to have to suck a lot of nasty old shrivled puds too and play with the nipples of a bunch of fat balding men that sweat a lot. Most likely you'll develop a drug addiction or two as well. I'm guessing you think that they should get free health care for their troubles. Hah! Sorry, you can't have it all. Go spend some of that hooker money on penicillin... you sure aren't paying any taxes with it.

I love it when they get old and nobody wants them anymore too. Hope they've been saving some of that hooker money for a rainy day because I'm guessing Don Magic Juan don't have a 401k plan or an IRA for his whores.... and unless you look like Elisabeth Shue from "Leaving Las Vegas", who's going to want to marry a dirty used up old slut?

Do you think the profession is glamourous now because of Inara? Let's not forget that it takes a makeup artist a couple of hours to make her look that good.

And to answer your second question in short.... yes. Sorry baby. The womens lib movement pretty much cut off all of our balls. Ask the science types in here. We're not genetically built to be with one woman "until death do us part". When you used to get headaches, we would just go out and get some tail on the side, and nobody asked any questions but now we risk losing half of everything or more when we get caught, so a lot of men turn to prostitution or even more commonplace now because of the ease and lower chance of getting caught, internet porn. If nothing else, a hooker knows how to keep a secret. That's just good business.

This ain't Leave it to Beaver, or haven't you noticed?



And congratulations on another witless comment Cit. Ain't seen you around for weeks, yet you never miss an oppurtunity to jump on the train when somebody contradicts anything I say. Yeah... give them all Burkas. Why is everything black and white with you anyways? I can't honestly believe that you were even being serious there. This train of thought would be just like if I were to bring up the merits of the legalization of pot and you said, yeah, we should just legalize cocaine and heroin and meth and then the government could make tax money on it and make sure that we get "clean" drugs. Go bother somebody else troll.



"You've gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely
But you know you only used to get juiced in it
And nobody has ever taught you how to live on the street
And now you find out you're gonna have to get used to it
You said you'd never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but now you realize
He's not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And ask him do you want to make a deal?

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?"

~ Bob Dylan


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Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:50 PM

AGENTROUKA


Dude, I wasn't aware there were so many ways to avoid answering my question by throwing a lot of unrelated facts and unrelated hate at me, but.. wow, pretty amazing.

I wasn't asking about natural male promiscuity (which, btw, is also a completely female trait, as well) but about men being able to not have sex when it's a really bad idea.

Say, during a job interview or while their house burns down with them in it or because they are about to run themselves into abject poverty paying for it.

Your reply did nothing to answer that. Even though I know the answer already and no amount of whining about women's lib is going to make it "no". It was predictable, though, to see you go troll about it.



Also: Ouch. Because Inara's profession is at all based on our contemplorary, illegal prostitution. Riiiiiight. This is the "real world events" discussion forum. If I can switch off Firefly in here, so can you. Just believe in yourself.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:56 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Dude, I wasn't aware there were so many ways to avoid answering my question by throwing a lot of unrelated facts and unrelated hate at me, but.. wow, pretty amazing.


Thanks. I was always in Gifted classes growing up.

Looking at my last post again, I guess I did throw a lot of "you" out there when I could have used "one". Sorry about that. Didn't mean to come off hateful to you.

It was all related though.

Quote:
I wasn't asking about natural male promiscuity (which, btw, is also a completely female trait, as well) but about men being able to not have sex when it's a really bad idea.

Say, during a job interview or while their house burns down with them in it or because they are about to run themselves into abject poverty paying for it.


Of course sexual promiscuity is a female trait as well, but rarely does one hear about a woman being ruined for sex. Perhaps this is just a sign of the times and as we find ourselves playing on a much more even playing field I will eat my words about this being mostly a male affliction.

Self preservation comes above sex as far as natural instincts are concerned. Also there has been a vast amount of civil conditioning we've all experienced to curb most of our behavior when we know other people are watching, especially sexual behavior. Both of these facts make your example of a job interview and a house burning down and killing you very, very different from an addiction which takes place virtually free of imminent doom and is also done in secrecy, where nobody you know is going to know (or at least there is that assumption going in, or they wouldn't go in, in the first place).

Lastly, I'm not even aware of you asking a similar question before. This one is worded very differently from anything you said before and would have required a much shorter answer. Thanks for making me type all that


Quote:
Your reply did nothing to answer that. Even though I know the answer already and no amount of whining about women's lib is going to make it "no". It was predictable, though, to see you go troll about it.


I'm a little confused about this. I thought I answered you and I said yes... so we're in agreement right? I wasn't aware of any whining about women's lib either other than mentioning that the events that came about afterwards were directly related to the women's lib movement. I was raised by a single mom and even though I think she's completely rotten to the core now after how hard the years have been to her. She hates me because I remind her of my father every time she looks at me. I know what a struggle it was for her and I would hope a young mother today would have an easier time about it and not become so completely bitter and jaded. I'd like you to point out to me where I was in the least bit trollish about women's lib. I simply mentioned it and it seems to me that since you're not agreeing with what I have to say, you're just calling me a troll. I don't think that prostitution is covered under women's lib, nor do I think it should be.

..... and I am really just kinda confused now because from your quote above I can only assume that we both think the answer is yes in the first place, though we may disagree on the means.

Wondering why that's predictable in the first place. I have no idea who you are. It seems you have me at an advantage here.


Quote:
Also: Ouch. Because Inara's profession is at all based on our contemplorary, illegal prostitution. Riiiiiight. This is the "real world events" discussion forum. If I can switch off Firefly in here, so can you. Just believe in yourself.


I don't know what to say about this. I was accusing you of possibly doing that.... maybe you weren't. You certainly seem to want the entire hooker population to be legalized and put under government regulation which in my mind would one day lead to a large portion of society living the Inara type life... minus space and all, of course. I think of Inara as a piece of what a culture would be like if prostitution was allowed to thrive. There is no way 99% of the male population could even survive in a world like that without women's consent, and I ain't ashamed to admit it. The only thing that I think they lie about on the show is that Inara would actually be as cold as Estella from Great Expectations and there would be absolutley no way she would be attracted to Mal other than sexually.... being completely detatched from normal human emotions such as love.

But, where would be the fun of that. Most of the geeks at the cons (and I say that with nothing but love for my fellow geekdom) woudn't have nearly as many girls to geek out to Firefly with sans the Mal/Inara dynamic.


Oh... and I do believe pretty strongly in myself. Otherwise I wouldn't post intelligent things in here that I know are going to get hammered constantly by other intelligent people whos minds work much differently than mine. If I didn't, I'd just keep my mouth shut. Thanks for your concern though.

If I really thought you were all stupid, I wouldn't waste my time here.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, March 23, 2007 4:39 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Now that that is out of the way, can we go back to discussing sex slavery and female brutalization....I find it riveting and a little turnmeonish. I only make this request, because my girlfriend is coming over later and she likes me a bit frisky and in the mood to punch her in the face...Thank you.


I will not apologize for this post. I got like 40 something e-mails over this. If you fools can't see the humour in this post..too fucking bad. Do not e-mail me. I just delete them before reading.
Let me make this clear....I do NOT punch my girlfriend in the face. I usually kick her.

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Friday, March 23, 2007 5:42 AM

FLETCH2


Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Let me make this clear....I do NOT punch my girlfriend in the face. I usually kick her.


I can totally see that. I mean you have to stop her from laughing at your tiny pecker somehow right?




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Friday, March 23, 2007 6:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


At the risk of being thought of as the "Net Nanny" (obssesive, overcontrolling, and boring) let me re-post something from the Troll thread:

Flamebait is a message posted to a public Internet discussion group, such as a forum, newsgroup or mailing list, with the intent of provoking an angry response (a "flame") or argument over a topic the troll often has no real interest in. (This is not to be confused with tweaking someone.)

There are various motives or explanations for this behavior. The most popular is the desire for attention and the desire for entertainment at the expense of others. Posted flamebait can provide the posting party with a controlled trigger-and-response setting in which to engage in conflicts and indulge aggressive behavior anonymously...

Taking the bait refers to someone who responds to the original message regardless of whether they are aware the original message was intended to provoke a response. Often when someone takes the bait, others will point out to them YHBT for "You have been trolled." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamebait

I for one have no wish to be an ant in the nest that some people think they're stirring up with a stick.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

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Friday, March 23, 2007 7:01 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
At the risk of being thought of as the "Net Nanny" (obssesive, overcontrolling, and boring) let me re-post something from the Troll thread:

Flamebait is a message posted to a public Internet discussion group, such as a forum, newsgroup or mailing list, with the intent of provoking an angry response (a "flame") or argument over a topic the troll often has no real interest in. (This is not to be confused with tweaking someone.)

There are various motives or explanations for this behavior. The most popular is the desire for attention and the desire for entertainment at the expense of others. Posted flamebait can provide the posting party with a controlled trigger-and-response setting in which to engage in conflicts and indulge aggressive behavior anonymously...

Taking the bait refers to someone who responds to the original message regardless of whether they are aware the original message was intended to provoke a response. Often when someone takes the bait, others will point out to them YHBT for "You have been trolled." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamebait

I for one have no wish to be an ant in the nest that some people think they're stirring up with a stick.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.



Hey jackass,
You running from thread to thread screaming troll! troll! troll!! and posting shit about not taking the bait....is taking the bait. Thank you for being obsessed....Now get a life you ball-sack!

Love always kaneman

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Friday, March 23, 2007 7:02 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:
Originally posted by Fletch2:
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Let me make this clear....I do NOT punch my girlfriend in the face. I usually kick her.


I can totally see that. I mean you have to stop her from laughing at your tiny pecker somehow right?





Hilarious Fletch2, I would have never guessed you had it in you to type the word pecker. Good job.

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Friday, March 23, 2007 9:19 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


I was wondering how people classify sexual slavery / prostitution.

1) religious issue - against the laws of god
2) ethical issue - demeans all humans
3) social issue - not a problem except for congruent social disorder
4) economic issue- the ultimate form of capitalism

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Friday, March 23, 2007 10:21 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I was wondering how people classify sexual slavery / prostitution.


As two completely different things.

Sex slavery, or forced prostitution, is slavery, with all the evils that pertain to slavery.

Prostitution free from duress by pimp or other coercive figure is a job.

Quote:
1) religious issue - against the laws of god
2) ethical issue - demeans all humans
3) social issue - not a problem except for congruent social disorder
4) economic issue- the ultimate form of capitalism


1) who is this god of which you speak?
2) sex is demeaning, or paying for sex is demeaning? How much does a nice dinner and a show cost?
3) if legal and regulated like dentists, hairdressers, etc., see no reason for social disorder
4) It's a job.

And 5) health issues - If licensed and inspected and requiring safe sex practices, should be safer than it is now.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, March 23, 2007 10:39 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
And congratulations on another witless comment Cit. Ain't seen you around for weeks, yet you never miss an oppurtunity to jump on the train when somebody contradicts anything I say. Yeah... give them all Burkas. Why is everything black and white with you anyways? I can't honestly believe that you were even being serious there. This train of thought would be just like if I were to bring up the merits of the legalization of pot and you said, yeah, we should just legalize cocaine and heroin and meth and then the government could make tax money on it and make sure that we get "clean" drugs. Go bother somebody else troll.
I said the reasoning was similar, your reasoning was essentially:
"Men can't control themselves so we shouldn't legalise prostitution"
The reasoning behind the Burka is essentially:
"Men can't control themselves so Women shouldn't be seen uncovered in public"

The reasoning is actually astoundingly similar, and in fact you're cannabis to cocaine analogy is not only completely irrelevant but also a red herring AND strawman.

If you notice I contradicted you before anyone else, so hardly jumping on the bandwagon, but I'd hate to break your dellusion that my opinions and I'm sure the world somehow revolves around you, eh.

And seriously, you accusing anyone of black and white thinking is an exercise in gross hypocrisy.

As for the troll comment I really wish you'd see the irony in calling me a troll when I didn't attack you personally, in a post that was little more than a string of ad hominems thrown my way no less.

For crying out loud get medication, TrollStringJack.


More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Friday, March 23, 2007 10:41 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


These questions are not indicative of my attitudes toward the topic. I was trying to be inclusive of the different rationales through which people might come at the topic.

As I understand it, most prostitutes in the US are 'run' by a pimp, or rarely a madam. There are few free-lancers in the business. That's why I put prostitution / slavery in the same general category.

1) who is this god of which you speak?
The god(s) of choice of the person answering the question.
2) sex is demeaning, or paying for sex is demeaning?
It's geared toward slaved / pimped sex.
3) if legal and regulated like dentists, hairdressers, etc., see no reason for social disorder
4) it's a job
Again, it's geared towrd slaved / pimped sex.

And 5) health issues - If licensed and inspected and requiring safe sex practices, should be safer than it is now.
I'd put this under 3)

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Friday, March 23, 2007 10:44 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Citizen,

"I said the reasoning was similar, your reasoning was essentially:
"Men can't control themselves so we shouldn't legalise prostitution"
The reasoning behind the Burka is essentially:
"Men can't control themselves so Women shouldn't be seen uncovered in public"

I also did see the parallel, but you posted first and more completely.

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Friday, March 23, 2007 11:39 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
As I understand it, most prostitutes in the US are 'run' by a pimp, or rarely a madam. There are few free-lancers in the business. That's why I put prostitution / slavery in the same general category.


I suspect that this is in large part due to the fact that prostitution is illegal, and pimps and other coercers can hold this over their workers. Unfortunately, the contrived moral stigma on prostitution also lets pimps, etc. literally get away with murder. In many countries, the cops are in on the deal.

Slavery is slavery, and it demeans everyone who comes in contact with it. There is no ethical ground for such people to stand on.

On the other hand, prostitutes in the legal brothels in Nevada, based on what I've seen newswise, consider it a job like any other. At the high end, prostitutes can apparently make good money with no coercion and madams seem to be more of a vetting service, if the recent bust of a madam here in D.C. is any guide.

edit to add: I generally don't let the pronouncements of 'god' sway my thinking. Show me one and maybe I'll change my mind.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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