Colony Collapse Syndrome: are we feeling it begin for us? by chrisisall

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Colony Collapse Syndrome: are we feeling it begin for us?

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Thursday, September 6, 2007 12:37
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Sunday, February 25, 2007 9:27 AM

Bees. Are they our 'canary in the mine shaft' for the 21st century?
http://www.localnews8.com/story.cfm?nav=ne...mp;storyID=1026

Been wondering, as I have, why businesses and government seems to be run like s**t lately?
Computerization. Information Overload might be another cause of ADHD, or is it just the straw for it? So much at our fingertips, and so little time to process it all. What used to be in the turn of a page is now in a file in a sub-file in an access-limited, pass-worded, maze of letters and numbers.
Ever see Johnny Mnemonic? Are we getting this disease for real? Is autism on the rise, or just it's diagnosis?

Question for the adults (not the little kids born after Star Wars came out): didn't things work better pre-computer?

Another factor: competition. It's good, right? But not if you're out to KILL. Profit is not limitless. Profit means someone, somewhere is losing a little. Usually it's an entirely tollerable loss. But after 911, it seems to me businesses have become insanely fixed on maximizing profit- to the extent of nearly cutting their own throats. Profit cannot be held in higher regard than longevity. But longevity is falling out of the picture in so many places. One big fat fish in a pond can enjoy it's victory only for a limited time....

Is our hive in danger?

Curiousisall

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Sunday, February 25, 2007 9:51 AM

SUCCATASH

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Monday, February 26, 2007 3:47 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Oh another good thread. You're just the threadmaster!

Don't stone me, but I'm gonna toss out something that sounds like a baaaaad sci-fi movie. You know the govt had experimented with MKUltra and mind control, right? Well, way back when, they also did animal studies on controlling minds through direct electrical stimulation. They got so far as being able to turn a nurturing mother monkey into a stone-cold stranger to her own baby by stimulating a certain part of the brain. Stimulating another part got a monkey to engage in a complex pattern of meaningless behavior over and over again.

So here is the baaaad sci-fi movie part. What if they have progressed to being able "stimulate" people's buying behavior? What if they are now able to do it wirelessly? What if "they" is not govt, but some private hi-tech "advertising" firm?

I've been reading a lot about the effects of electromagnetic radiation on the human body. There is actually quite a bit of research done on this, and quite a bit of documentation that EMR's put a hidden stress on our immune systems. I hypothesize that a good number of our immune dysfunction diseases, including autism, might be related to the overexposure to EMRs. One recent Cornell study actually found a correlation between TV watching and autism. Now that isn't proof, and we are far from getting proof of actual EMR harm on humans. But it's an interesting research direction, I think.

OK, baaad sci-fi movie aside, it is no wonder that with the barrage of advertising and a general fierce consumer culture that we would constant think about things we want to buy. But it isn't just individuals--it is our govt too, which is spending on credit just as badly as a credit card addict. Our country is probably at a point where we can barely make the minimum payments, where we're only paying on the interest of our huge deficit, and drop nothing toward the principal. It is just a matter of time before we become completely enslaved by our debtors if our govt keeps spending this way.

Oh, completely off-topic: did you see that Ennio got a special Oscar last night? That was so very cool, seeing that little montage of the best Ennio clips.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Monday, February 26, 2007 5:32 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:

I've been reading a lot about the effects of electromagnetic radiation on the human body. There is actually quite a bit of research done on this, and quite a bit of documentation that EMR's put a hidden stress on our immune systems.

In Johnny Mnemonic it manifests as an actual full-blown disease that becomes deadly. I see no reason why this won't happen.

And, in general:
The climate is changing.
EMR is more intense every day.
Wildlife is disappearing.

It doesn't take a genius to be able to see what's happening (but it does take a NeoCon apologist moron to deny it

)

No apologies Chrisisall

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Monday, February 26, 2007 5:39 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Dammit! Now you have me thinking about all that creepy viral marketing Nine Inch Nails are doing for 'Year Zero'!

*starts watching the skies carefully for The Presence*

Banners, avatars and other fun stuff at www.desktophippie.com

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Monday, February 26, 2007 7:03 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Things didn't work better before modernization, electronics, and computers.

They just worked differently. And people had different priorities about what needed to work, too.

There are still societies in the US that live without all the modern stuff, the electronics, the computers, the TV.

They work just fine. But I don't think they are necessarily better. Better at some things? The things they care about? Doubtless.

But I have different priorities. I need different things to work well.

Technology doesn't just get implemented because it's there. There have been plenty of technologies that died through lack of consumer.

Technologies are implemented because society decides it wants certain things. If everybody wants The Simple Life, technology will change again.

But that's not what our society is after.

--Ant

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Monday, February 26, 2007 11:08 AM

MALBADINLATIN

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Question for the adults (not the little kids born after Star Wars came out): didn't things work better pre-computer?

Ummm....let me check

Oh god...it's all coming back to me...paper...file cabinets..."lost in the mail"...pencils...weeks long research in the basement...gotta go to the library to find out...it'll take 4-6 weeks...exhaustion...world growing dark...

Ummm...NO!

"You can believe your eyes...or you can believe me." -Groucho Marx

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Monday, February 26, 2007 11:20 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:

Ummm....let me check

Oh god...it's all coming back to me...paper...file cabinets..."lost in the mail"...pencils...weeks long research in the basement...gotta go to the library to find out...it'll take 4-6 weeks...exhaustion...world growing dark...

Point taken, as computers were designed for inventory purposes initially. And they were useful for that. Now they run everything- with inadequate or half-assed programs. Unless you're one of the lucky ones working with a program that was designed to do sort of what you're using it for, or better yet, a program designed by peeps familiar with the actual needs of the company and it's customers.

Unlucky one Chrisisall

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Monday, February 26, 2007 12:18 PM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Point taken, as computers were designed for inventory purposes initially.

Erm, actually no. The first 'modern' computer was designed by Charles Babbage in the 1800's to produce logarithms vital to accurate navigation at sea, which is why the British government threw money at him for decades. The first electronic computers were used for calculation, in fact many early examples were used to calculate trajectories for Anti-Aircraft emplacements during the second world war, and were also used for code breaking. Inventory work is actually one of the latest uses, prior to the cheap computing revolution of the late 70's/early 80's due to the microchip computer time was simply to expensive to be wasted on something trivial like inventory work, not to mention the extreme limitations on computer space. I remember the first IBM compatible PC I used being an Amstrad 286 in the late 80's. It had a massive 40Mb of hard disk space.

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Now they run everything- with inadequate or half-assed programs.

Most programmers just aren't very good. Add to that the fact that most project leaders are executives with little if any real experience or knowledge in the field and you get unrealistic design goals heaped on incapable people. Not to mention the fact that the customer rarely if ever has a bloody clue as to what they actually want.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Monday, February 26, 2007 12:25 PM

CHRISISALL

Thanks for the correction on their origin.
But my analysis of their current problems was close enough.
GRRRRR

Still unlucky Chrisisall

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Monday, February 26, 2007 12:50 PM

MALBADINLATIN

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Most programmers just aren't very good. Add to that the fact that most project leaders are executives with little if any real experience or knowledge in the field and you get unrealistic design goals heaped on incapable people. Not to mention the fact that the customer rarely if ever has a bloody clue as to what they actually want.

I used to work for a software company and you are absolutely correct in this statement. I had hoped it would get better over time, but...

"You can believe your eyes...or you can believe me." -Groucho Marx

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Monday, February 26, 2007 3:07 PM

FLETCH2

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Point taken, as computers were designed for inventory purposes initially.

Inventory work is actually one of the latest uses, prior to the cheap computing revolution of the late 70's/early 80's due to the microchip computer time was simply to expensive to be wasted on something trivial like inventory work, not to mention the extreme limitations on computer space.

Actually Chris is sort of right. While governments and academia always have the first and the biggest a lot of the big IBM mainframes sold in the 1960's and DEC Mini's sold in the 1970's ran warehouse and factory management systems. In the early/mid 80's two companies I worked for ran factory inventory on mainframes and were using small unix boxes or later PC's for "office automation" tasks.

One firm was an engineering company. When an order came in it was broken into starting sub assemblies and these were assigned to "operators" who would fabricate the item. One of the pieces of paper the machine generated was a inventory requisition authorising the parts needed from stores. Periodically a reconcilliation sweep was done to match actual physical inventory with what the machine thought they had. And yes, this and other programs where writen in Cobol, ran on a mainframe, and were considered a mainstream computing task.

Most early computer systems were batch processors which made them useful for things like generating bills and keeping bank records up to date, but inventory control can be done just as easily with batch processing as any other number crunching task, the thing that makes modern systems different is that they can give you totals in real time allowing JIT style inventory management.

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Monday, February 26, 2007 10:30 PM

SOUPCATCHER

What does the link have to do with bees? I must have missed something.

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:13 AM

CHRISISALL

Bees are dying in colonies. Their systems are just collapsing with no obvious cause. Like our empire.

*cue eerie music* Chrisisall

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:15 AM

SOUPCATCHER

Ah, okay. Thanks. I was trying to figure out what the article you linked to, "Tips on Controling Your Spending for the Holidays" had to do with bees and I wasn't coming up with anything.

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:35 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
"Tips on Controling Your Spending for the Holidays"

FRAK! They switched it!
The gist was that in 21 states bee colonies are dying, threatening many crops that depend on the bees for pollination, and that the cause is unknown.
I postulate that it is part of a very big change on our planet that also involves the orbit, global warming, increase in EMR, and information overload.
I feel this is a signifigant time for this world- a make or break time for our governments and our ways of life.
I see a possible future where every person on Earth has a plasma-screen TV, but not enough (good) food in their bellies. A sort of glossy poverty.

Dark Chrisisall

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:46 PM

SOUPCATCHER

Oh. That makes more sense. Hmmm. And doesn't sound good at all.

Thanks for the summary.

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:13 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
doesn't sound good at all.

Hope that possible future ain't possible.

But a plasma TV....might be worth it

Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 1, 2007 10:54 AM

SHAMELESS

Just to throw in my two cents on computers...

The problem with programs nowadays is that the only man with enough whatever (money? influence? whatever you need) to make it happen who realized that computers could be VERY useful for personal reasons - rather than just for business - wasn't a programmer, and that's why the popular stuff isn't necessarily the most effective stuff. Or something like that. This is what I was told, but that's not necessarily a bad source of info!

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RPG launcher bought in third world country illegally - $10
Landmines - $50 per
Attack/track dogs bred 1st class - $250-500 per
Highpowered assault rifles - $600 per
The look on your face when I show up on your doorstep with a bigfoot - ... Priceless

"You gotta love that the first pirated HD DVD is the one about space pirates who broadcast a video that the government wants to keep secret.

Can't stop the signal."
-reavers_ate_my_dvd

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Thursday, March 1, 2007 5:17 PM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by shameless:
Just to throw in my two cents on computers...

The problem with programs nowadays is that the only man with enough whatever (money? influence? whatever you need) to make it happen who realized that computers could be VERY useful for personal reasons - rather than just for business - wasn't a programmer, and that's why the popular stuff isn't necessarily the most effective stuff. Or something like that. This is what I was told, but that's not necessarily a bad source of info!

There were many before gates who gave computers to home users, Clive Sinclair for instance. Gate's break into the home arena was coincidental and down solely to being the OS supplier to IBM for the IBM PC 80086, which due to IBM's own disbelief led them to let they're patent slip on the machine architecture that lead to any company being able to produce 'IBM compatibles' driving prices down and therefore acceptance up. Ironically it's also why the IBM on out over the Mac's closed standard.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Thursday, March 1, 2007 5:19 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

I have to admit that I get frustrated with people wanting things nownownownownownow. Makes one long for the old days before computers, fax machines and high speed printers........but then again I am glad we no londer have carbon paper and IBM selectrics!

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Thursday, March 1, 2007 5:21 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

I have a lovely 53 rear projection tv with a convergence problem - free to good home!

(not really they would kill me)

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
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Friday, March 2, 2007 4:21 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I have a lovely 53 rear projection tv with a convergence problem

I'll take it; a screwdriver and a little patience can fix that.

Red, blue and green Chrisisall

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Friday, March 2, 2007 7:36 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I have a lovely 53 rear projection tv with a convergence problem
I'll take it; a screwdriver and a little patience can fix that.

Red, blue and green Chrisisall

According to the tv repiar dude $250 to pick it up and return it plus another $500 will fix it.

sore eyed from watching the "little" tv FMF

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"We don't fear the reaper"

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Friday, March 2, 2007 7:46 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:

According to the tv repiar dude $250 to pick it up and return it plus another $500 will fix it.

If it's a convergence problem, it's basically aiming the lenses so they all shoot in the same direction- no rocket science there. If it's a more technical problem, I'd understand.
Get a twelve year old to open it up and have a look.

Mr Fix It Chrisisall

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Friday, March 2, 2007 8:05 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:

According to the tv repiar dude $250 to pick it up and return it plus another $500 will fix it.

If it's a convergence problem, it's basically aiming the lenses so they all shoot in the same direction- no rocket science there. If it's a more technical problem, I'd understand.
Get a twelve year old to open it up and have a look.

Mr Fix It Chrisisall

The 12 year old is too expensive. The problem is that the tv will not allow me to realign the little crossess. I pushy the button - no notink

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Friday, March 2, 2007 9:20 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
The problem is that the tv will not allow me to realign the little crossess. I pushy the button - no notink

It's open-heart time, my dear. Gotta do it manually.

Watch-y the shock Chrisisall

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Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:00 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Hey FMF.....

Don't get that thing fixed at that price. If you can get somebody you know who knows a bit about them who will do it cheap, by all means.

If you're willing to spend that much on your viewing pleasure in the near future, may I suggest this TV:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Hitachi-51-CRT-Projection-HD-Monitor-51
F59/sem/rpsm/oid/148043/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

It's only 51" to your 53", but it's beautiful. I've had mine since April and haven't had a single problem with it. Hitachi makes a killer TV. They also have a 57" model that's relativley cheap. The normal price for the 51" now is 999.99. When I bought mine last year I got it on sale at Circuit City for 899.99. I also saw that they had it on sale on Black Friday for $699.99, so if you have a little patience, you can get a great TV for a steal. I'd recommend checking Amazon, wannasavealot.com and Overstock.com too because I've seen better prices for these TV's online on occasion.

BTW.... If you go that route don't listen to the site when they say it only weighs 155lbs. I had free shipping because of my credit card but it was going to take 2 weeks for them to ship it. I picked it up with my brother and a U-Haul the day after I ordered it and we nearly killed ourselves getting it up to the second floor. Wasn't until I read the manual later that I found out it really weighs 309 lbs.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 11:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

A virus found in healthy Australian honey bees may be playing a role in the collapse of honey bee colonies across the United States
Quote:
Colony collapse disorder has killed millions of bees -- up to 90 percent of colonies in some U.S. beekeeping operations -- imperiling the crops largely dependent upon bees for pollination, such as oranges, blueberries, apples and almonds...
Signs of colony collapse disorder were first reported in the United States in 2004, the same year American beekeepers started importing bees from Australia.

The disorder is marked by hives left with a queen, a few newly hatched adults and plenty of food, but the worker bees responsible for pollination gone. The virus identified in the healthy Australian bees is Israeli Acute Paralysis Virus (IAPV) -- named that because it was discovered by Hebrew University researchers.

Although worker bees in colony collapse disorder vanish, bees infected with IAPV die close to the hive, after developing shivering wings and paralysis. For some reason, the Australian bees seem to be resistant to IAPV and do not come down with symptoms.
Scientists used genetic analyses of bees collected over the past three years and found that IAPV was present in bees that had come from colony collapse disorder hives 96 percent of the time.
Yeah, we keep f*cking with Mother nature and pretty soon she'll f*ck us over but good.
www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/09/06/bee.disorder/index.html

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Thursday, September 6, 2007 12:37 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

DAMN! I bet wild NA bees are affected as well.

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