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RE: Reagan the Hero- Iran/Contra; defend it if you can, NeoCon appologist morons!

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:05 AM

CHRISISALL


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair

This is the 'lite' version; easily understandable for even the most mentally challenged of hawks.

Harder (both edgier and more difficult for for pro-torture fans to follow) versions can be googled, including congressional testimony, but that requires time, reading and reading comprehension, all in short supply, I suspect, in the Reagan-Bushy-Bush camps.

We funded those MOTHER***KERS in Nicargua to cut off women's breasts after raping them...real 'freedom fighters'. Oh, I'm sorry, the term isn't torture, it's 'collateral damage' in NeoConScumese.

All Hail the great Reagan Chrisisall


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Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:11 AM

KHYRON


Wow Chris, haven't seen you this peeved off in a while. Not that I blame you...



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Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:24 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
Wow Chris, haven't seen you this peeved off in a while.

Raising that 'actor' to the staus of 'Hero' sickens me, he was just a mouthpiece for others, and never quite knew what was going on (that's the nice take; if he did know, he was a scumbag like the rest).
Look, I understand the need for heroes..take Bruce Lee for example...is he a hero? Yeah, to some, but to me, he was a gifted individual with MANY flaws, like most of us have.
Save 'hero' for peeps that face death overseas, firefighters or EMS workers and the like. Or ficticious dudes like Kirk or Reynolds.

Not these guys.

Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:28 AM

CAUSAL


Wow...but "morons." Not used to that from you, Chris.

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:00 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
Wow...but "morons."

It was AURaptor that set me off in the Reagan Hero thread...see, he's like this likeable, friendly dude, until politics comes up, & he goes @!*#@ crazy waving the flag of the NeoCon agenda!!!! It makes me nuts that good folk can be swallowed up by the big lies!!!!

We should all listen to Mal's words. A sensible Libertarian-like view.

*shaking off the mad* Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:02 PM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
*shaking off the mad* Chrisisall



There: don't that feel better?



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Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:09 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:

There: don't that feel better?




Yeah, a little....but some around here migh be a little peeved at me now.
Not that it would ruin my day or anything...

A child of the eighties Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:21 PM

MALBADINLATIN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

We funded those MOTHER***KERS in Nicargua to cut off women's breasts after raping them...real 'freedom fighters'. Oh, I'm sorry, the term isn't torture, it's 'collateral damage' in NeoConScumese.



WORD!!!!!!! And don't forget those Catholic Nuns and the Priest those Freedom Fighters kidnapped, beat up , raped, killed, and buried like a bunch of gorram Reavers. Go Crissisall!!

"You can believe your eyes...or you can believe me." -Groucho Marx

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:21 PM

RUE

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Yeah, Rap is so out of touch with reality that way. That 'hero' thread made me snicker a little though when it comes to Rap. It's kinda like - if Ray-gun was # 1, where does that leave Bush? snicker

Easy to amuse Rue


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Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:41 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


The line of Neocons waiting to defend appears to be a short one.

Truthhurtsisall.

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
Wow...but "morons."

It was AURaptor that set me off in the Reagan Hero thread...see, he's like this likeable, friendly dude, until politics comes up, & he goes @!*#@ crazy waving the flag of the NeoCon agenda!!!! It makes me nuts that good folk can be swallowed up by the big lies!!!!

We should all listen to Mal's words. A sensible Libertarian-like view.

*shaking off the mad* Chrisisall



Reagan was a hero, by all measure. You know not of what you speak. If ever I've tossed an ad hominem toward you, it's been a while, and I don't recall what it was. I'm wavering as to whether I can survive being branded a 'moron' by you, but if I make it through the night......


You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life - Winston Churchill

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:32 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Reagan was a hero, by all measure.

He certainly meant well, I'll give ya that. Like another low IQ Prez that shall remain nameless (Hint: impressing his dad takes over where reason should prevail).
Quote:

You know not of what you speak.
So, should I take that to mean funding the murderous Contras was a good thing? With drug money, because Congress wouldn't LEGALLY allow it, no less? History, son, you need to learn your history. It's there to read. Even sanitized as it is, it should direct you away from worshiping that particular false idol.
Quote:

If ever I've tossed an ad hominem toward you, it's been a while, and I don't recall what it was.
Go ahead, you biped, make my day.
Quote:

I'm wavering as to whether I can survive being branded a 'moron' by you, but if I make it through the night......

I didn't call you a moron, why, are you sign up for the position?

Search your feelings, AU, I sense the good in you, the NeoCons have not driven it from you fully. It's not too late...read history and be a force for good again (or don't, and be a cog in the machine, I'll still be nice to ya on the Buffy threads )

Cooling rods in place now Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:47 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

He certainly meant well, I'll give ya that. Like another low IQ Prez that shall remain nameless




Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

Bush is the eternal rich frat boy when compared to Ronaldus Maximus. Stand the two side by side, and Reagan casts a shadow that covers BOTH Diddy Bush and his sons. Reagan was no 'low IQ Prez, but one with a brilliant mind.

Reagan was determined that communism would not take hold in Central America, as were those who served under him. If you think the media never slanted the news over what really went on down there, then don't bother replying. It's not nearly as 1 sided as you're lead to believe.

I don't have to 'read' history, I lived through it. I suspect you did to, but have closed your eyes to the whole truth.



People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:13 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Good luck with that, Chrisisall.

The thing about authoritarian followers and cult-of-personality adherents is that they need to believe. REAGAN SHALL NOT BE MOCKED. Reagan must be viewed with an adoration approaching divinity (which is just slightly less than the trauma necessary to cause organ failure). It is absolutely impossible that Reagan wasn't the hero they need to believe he was.

For the authoritarian followers it will always be about personalities. A key tell is that they will often bring up other personalities that they think you are devoted to with the same fervor of their own. It's almost a given that whenever you bring up a negative about one of the right wing authorian followers beloved personalities they will bring up Clinton. It's a tactic that they use - go after personality - because it's what works on them.

Something the authoritarian followers of the right have never understood is that we don't hold our leaders in the position of godhead that they do. Make fun of Teddy Kennedy? We shrug. You make fun of Ronald Reagan? They go apoplectic.

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:43 PM

ERIC


Quote:

Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
The thing about authoritarian followers and cult-of-personality adherents is that they need to believe. ...
Something the authoritarian followers of the right have never understood is that we don't hold our leaders in the position of godhead that they do.



I wonder what would happen if someone made one of them read Dune... Spontaneous combustion?


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Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:47 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair
Quote:


The report published by the Tower Commission, known as the Tower Commission Report, was delivered to the President on February 26, 1987. It criticized the actions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger and others. It did not determine that the President had knowledge of the extent of the program, although it argued that the President ought to have had better control of the National Security Council staff.




Posting to stir stuff up.

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:51 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair

The report published by the Tower Commission, known as the Tower Commission Report, was delivered to the President on February 26, 1987. It did not determine that the President had knowledge of the extent of the program, although it argued that the President ought to have had better control of the National Security Council staff.


Plausably deniability at it's best, fellow Browncoats.



There is no 'Miranda' Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:53 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not nearly as 1 sided as you're lead to believe.


That's my whole friggin' point, Dr. Banner!!!

Gamma Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Something the authoritarian followers of the right have never understood is that we don't hold our leaders in the position of godhead that they do. Make fun of Teddy Kennedy? We shrug. You make fun of Ronald Reagan? They go apoplectic.


That Kennedy is even thought of as a 'leader', and continues to get voted back into office, year after year, is telling in its own right. Reagan never killed his mistress, and that's the start of a long list of differences. Meanwhile, you have icons of the Left who openly state they'd have given Clinton a B.J. for keeping Roe v Wade the law of the land, when he , as President, has very little to do w/ the issue of abortion. There's so much that is base and low that the Left holds up , they don't know true goodness when they see it.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:12 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Something the authoritarian followers of the right have never understood is that we don't hold our leaders in the position of godhead that they do. Make fun of Teddy Kennedy? We shrug. You make fun of Ronald Reagan? They go apoplectic.


That Kennedy is even thought of as a 'leader', and continues to get voted back into office, year after year, is telling in its own right. Reagan never killed his mistress, and that's the start of a long list of differences. Meanwhile, you have icons of the Left who openly state they'd have given Clinton a B.J. for keeping Roe v Wade the law of the land, when he , as President, has very little to do w/ the issue of abortion. There's so much that is base and low that the Left holds up , they don't know true goodness when they see it.


QED

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:26 PM

FREDGIBLET


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
That Kennedy is even thought of as a 'leader', and continues to get voted back into office, year after year, is telling in its own right.



Strom Thurmond got voted in year after year as well. The incumbency rate has little to do with the actions of a politician and much more to do with which "side" the politician is on. If the Democrats allowed a serious contender to go against Ted there is a good chance that he would be replaced, but since capital hill is like a big club the party leaders (on both sides) don't usually let serious challenges to their own incumbents run.

Quote:

There's so much that is base and low that the Left holds up , they don't know true goodness when they see it


Big words coming from the side of discrimination and bigotry.

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:28 PM

FREDGIBLET


As for Reagan, every president has done good and bad, Reagan was no exception.

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:29 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SoupCatcher:

QED

Damn. You nailed it, Soup.

Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:35 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
There's so much that is base and low that the Left holds up

Like needless invasion, funding murders with D R U G money, phoney 'family values' crap while cutting funding to keep kids alert in school, sex parties in the White House, Skull and Bones shindigs, etc?
There is base and low both sides, I claim neither as my sole voice in this government.

Why do you?

You just pick a base and low side Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:26 PM

REAVERMAN


Crissisall, thank you for one more reason to despise the neocons (as if we all needed another).

AURaptor, you're a smart enough guy. You should know by now that politicians in general are scum (or at the very least, fuckin' idiots), regardless of party affiliation. I am not going to deny that the Democratic Party (notice, I didn't say "Left Wing", because they are two completely different animals) is full of dumbasses and scheming scumbags, cause they are. But the Republican Party is just as bad. They're just more obvious about their scum-like nature.

People need to see that bickering over whose party is better is a fool's game. Reagan did what he did. Various Democrats have done what they've done. Neither groups are the "Good Guys". Accept that fact so we can move past these idiotic partisan debates and focus on the facts.



You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Big words coming from the side of discrimination and bigotry.


Gee, it was the GOP who passed the 1964 voting rights act. It was under GOP Presidents that a woman became ambassador to the U.N., a black became sec of state, a black woman became the sec of state, etc.... Fact is, more 'minorities' achieved real positions of power and importance under the last 3 GOP Presidents than under any Democrat. This crap about 'discrimination and bigotry ' is nothing but political spin.

Rorbert Sheets Byrd , need I say anything more ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:47 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
There's so much that is base and low that the Left holds up

Like needless invasion, funding murders with D R U G money, phoney 'family values' crap while cutting funding to keep kids alert in school, sex parties in the White House, Skull and Bones shindigs, etc?
There is base and low both sides, I claim neither as my sole voice in this government.

Why do you?

You just pick a base and low side Chrisisall



There needs to be a fund to keep kids alert in school ? ROFLMAO!! Sex parties...oh, you mean Roger and Bill Clinton and some cheerleaders when Hillary was away? Skull and Bones? Sorry, not Reagan.

You'd do best to stop now, while you're not too far behind.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:26 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hi all,

It has been U.S. policy for a long time to look at a pair of shitheads, find the one that is accidentally doing something you need, and then give him money.

This is the old Sun Tzu policy of making friends with your enemy's enemy.

But I think history has shown us that some friends are worse than enemies. We need to stop funding shitheads.

Because it has been a long-standing policy to fund shitheads, I'm not sure that we can blame any one particular president. Certainly we've been funding shitheads for as long as I've lived.

We just need a general policy shift: We will only fund the enemy of our enemy... if he's not a shithead.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Because I'm not very knowledgable about this topic at all at this point, I don't really have an opinion on it. (I know, since most of you think I know nothing about nothing, you all must be very shocked now).

I had no idea that they played Contra in Iran. I was just wondering if anybody knew if they use the UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A START code in Iran or were they badass enough there to do it all with 3 guys?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:18 PM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Because I'm not very knowledgable about this topic at all at this point, I don't really have an opinion on it.

But nonetheless you still feel the need to post in the thread. Seems to be a pattern.



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Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:24 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Aww come on, the reference to the video game was hilarious.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Ky - Yep. Sure does. I say anything, and you have the last word. I noticed that too.


Thanks for the nod TonyT

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Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:20 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Another impressive but meaningless sacrificial charge by AURAPTOR.
I sometimes wonder if his anscestors were cavalry officers.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:20 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I say anything, and you have the last word. I noticed that too.

And once again you're talking out of your arse.

I've responded to very, very few of your posts. Life is too short to respond to the vast amount of verbal diarrhoea that you spew, and in fact I can't even be bothered to read most of it anymore since it's been a while since you've had anything worthwhile to say.

On those occasions where I had the last word, it's because you didn't respond. So if you want to see a pattern, it's that you apparently don't have any valid arguments against my arguments. But that's no surprise since you seldomly have valid arguments against most people's arguments on here (the difference being that you still go on arguing with them). You're too narrow-minded and full of your BS to notice, though.

Don't bother replying to this post, I'm not going to waste my precious time off this weekend by reading more of your tripe.

PS: In case you're wondering what set me off, it's your attitude in the Calvin and Hobbes thread.



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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:34 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Something the authoritarian followers of the right have never understood is that we don't hold our leaders in the position of godhead that they do. Make fun of Teddy Kennedy? We shrug. You make fun of Ronald Reagan? They go apoplectic.



I'll grant you that you might shrug. But I think you'd have a hard time making the case that only the right has wacko-extremists who go apoplectic if you criticize the politician du jour. There are certainly people on the left that are every bit as extreme in their devotions as people on the right. There are people every bit as intolerant and offensive (to wit: I have, on this board, been told that burning Christians at the stake would be entertaining). It may be the case, Soup, that you are one of the folks on the left who doesn't by into the cult of personality being erected around, for instance, Hilary Clinton. But that doesn't mean that there aren't extremists on your side of the aisle, as well. I guess my real concern here is that once one side feels free to label the other as "moronic," they subsequently stop listening to what the other has to say. And pardon me if I'm terribly naive, but I happen to think that open dialogue among all sensible people (and not just those who agree with you) is the way to move the country forward.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:41 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Big words coming from the side of discrimination and bigotry.



Quote:

Originally posted by XXXX:
In my opinion [Christians] should be glad to be tolerated as they are, cause I for one, would like to see the evil bastards tied to a stake and screaming while the flames licked ever closer, and fault me for it if you will, I would damned well ENJOY it.



The right doesn't have the market on hatred and bigotry, you know.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:41 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Hilary ???!!!

You're joking, right?

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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:42 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Reaverman:
People need to see that bickering over whose party is better is a fool's game. Reagan did what he did. Various Democrats have done what they've done. Neither groups are the "Good Guys". Accept that fact so we can move past these idiotic partisan debates and focus on the facts.



See, this is what I've been saying.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:48 AM

SHINYED


Quote:

NeoCon apologist morons!


That's real nice....that's real intelligent and mature.


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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:52 AM

RUE

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"People need to see that bickering over whose party is better is a fool's game. Reagan did what he did. Various Democrats have done what they've done. Neither groups are the "Good Guys". Accept that fact so we can move past these idiotic partisan debates and focus on the facts."

Great idea. Now if only you can get people to buy into it instead of image and counter image:
McCain - maverick
Kerry - flip-flopper
and so on ....

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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:52 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Hilary ???!!!

You're joking, right?



Whoa, hold up a second. For the record, I'm not taking a side on the Reagan thing. I'm also post-Republican and almost completely post-conservative. I don't think W is the savior of us all, and I think the Iraq war was a horrible idea. Why do I say all that in response to a four-word post? Because I want you to be clear that I'm not coming into this with partisan motives.

My point isn't Hilary-as-such. It could also be Obama, or anybody else. My point was that it isn't just on the Republican side that there are people who blindly and unthinkingly follow the person their party tells them too. You, Rue, are much too intelligent to fall for any such nonsense, and I say that with utter sincerity--you've ably demonstrated your ability to think for yourself. But there are folks in red and blue who don't think for themselves. To wit: the students on campus walk around with Obama '08 buttons on their backpacks, but I doubt very much that they do so because they've investigated the mans policies, positions, and voting records. They do that because the local chapter of the College Democrats has officially endorsed Obama for the Democratic nom in '08. The point I wanted to make is that there are idealogues in both parties. There are blind followers on both sides of the aisle. It's not just Republican/conservatives who do that, it's people because people are morons.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:56 AM

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Thanks for the explanation. It's just Hillary was SOOOO far off my mark anyway the choice made me go (scoobydoo) HHunhh ??!!!

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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:56 AM

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Tell ya what....much better to be a neocon apologist moron than a tree-hugging, terrorist-loving, know-nothing internet-educated naive fool retarded liberal....you all sound like you're contestants in Miss America pageant...." And my wish for Earth is world peace."....and I didn't even have to source that at Wikipedia!



Mmm...ad hominem...

Oh wait, shit, so is "moron." Oh, crap, what a mess we're in now...

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Friday, February 23, 2007 3:57 AM

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Since movies are popular around here , might I suggest repeated viewings of Salvador and Under Fire as a way to shake the Reagan worship out of him? It won't work, but at least he'll watch a couple of great movies...

Anyway, that's what I think...

MT

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Friday, February 23, 2007 4:01 AM

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Great idea. Now if only you can get people to buy into it instead of image and counter image:
McCain - maverick
Kerry - flip-flopper
and so on ....



Well, I think this is part of the problem. American politics has become submerged in the ethos of Madison Avenue. We can't be bothered to really learn what candidates stand for, heavens no. We make a party affiliation based on lifestyle, like we choose Mac or PC, and then we say that that one represents us. So Dem or Rep becomes part of who we are, just like what kind of soda we drink or sneakers we wear. And then we really don't even have to think about who to vote for, because it's already been decided for us. And thanks to Madison-Avenue-style politics, we hear the candidates saying just the right things so that when we go pull that lever, we feel good about ourselves instead of feeling confidence in the candidate. And it is both sides that do this. So you've got nearly every American voter brand-loyal, and a narrow sliver in the middle that actually thinks about the issues. The rest have just bought into the BS. Just look at what's already happened in this thread:

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Big words coming from the side of discrimination and bigotry.


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There's so much that is base and low that the Left holds up , they don't know true goodness when they see it.


Come on, seriously: neither one of these statements are really true. But they sure as hell make great bumper stickers.


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Friday, February 23, 2007 4:03 AM

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BTW so far I like Obama because of what he's said and done. I'd have to look it up but AFAIK he's sponsored literally hundreds of good bills in the Senate.

Hillary Clinton is a very popular Senator. But it isn't translating nationally. I suspect her Iraq war stance which gained her popularity in NYC is going to be a sea-anchor for her now. That I think is a case of short-term political expediency with long-term costs.

Oh, and thanks for the compliments.

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Friday, February 23, 2007 4:05 AM

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BTW so far I like Obama because of what he's said and done. I'd have to look it up but AFAIK he's sponsored literally hundreds of good bills in the Senate.

Hillary Clinton is a very popular Senator. But it isn't translating nationally. I suspect her Iraq war stance which gained her popularity in NYC is going to be a sea-anchor for her now. That I think is a case of short-term political expediency with long-term costs.

Oh, and thanks for the compliments.



You bet.

WRT Obama, I like him too, but I'm hesitant about his 2nd Amendment stance. He voted against a bill that I was very much in favor of. On the other hand, I'm trying not to be a single-issue voter. We'll see who emerges from the Republican pack.

Why, oh, why do we have to have a two-party system?

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Friday, February 23, 2007 4:11 AM

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"Why, oh, why do we have to have a two-party system?" Well, ok. I haven't taken my Ritalin yet, so of course the first thing that popped into my head - and would have been out of my mouth if we were talking - was - " 'cause it's better than one party?" Followed immediately by "you can never have too many parties !" Which of course progresses the discussion not at all.

off the wall and need to climb back on ...

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Friday, February 23, 2007 4:14 AM

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"Why, oh, why do we have to have a two-party system?" Well, ok. I haven't taken my Ritalin yet, so of course the first thing that popped into my head - and would have been out of my mouth if we were talking - was - " 'cause it's better than one party?" Followed immediately by "you can never have too mnay parties !" Which of course progresses the discussion not at all.



Right, but it is amusing!

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Friday, February 23, 2007 4:18 AM

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Yeah well, I just had a promotional interview. I was interviewed by three people who each stood up from behind the table, reached across, shook my hand and said "My name's ... from the ...." I had to really bite my tongue to not say "All right, gentlemen, will the real interviewer PLEASE stand up !"

(You have to be old enough to get that one.)

Then during the interview they proposed a difficult situation and asked what I would do. The FIRST thing that popped into my head, of course, was "you put your right hand in, you put your right hand out, you put your right hand in, and you shake it all about...."

And then later on they proposed another difficult situation and asked what I would do, only this time my actual first thought popped out - I said "whine for more people?"

Have I mentioned I get really inappropriate under stress?

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