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Global Warming proven a hoax!

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:58 PM

RUE

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Chris,isall

There are two ways for space's temp to rise - one, it's got the flu. The other -- I fergit.

There are more particles moving as fast as the others, or the particles that are there are moving faster, or both.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:26 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
As I stated, you are GREATLY mistaken.

No I'm really not.
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Once again, you're wrong. This has nothing ot do w/ Bush, but you do seem to have such a hard on for the Prez, it's no wonder.
Nope that would be you old chap.
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I vilify Creationist for ignoring the consensus, but more importantly, for ignoring the EVIDENCE! The Creationist and the Kyoto nuts are guilty of the same thing....wanting to cherry pick evidence and arrange an arguement based on a PREVIOUSLY HELD TENNENT.
Actually cherry picking evidence is your bag, it would seem. You know it's funny how the only person who can't see the parallels between your argument and the creationists is you.
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Just as the Creationist say the Bible is literally accurate, the tree hugging Kyoto zealots are hell bent on proving mankind ( mainly Western, Industrialized mankind ) is responsible for destroying the Earth. So, each starts with a template to hold to, then formulates the evidence which best makes their case, as they see it.
Where as you're better because you set out to prove its nothing to do with you and you can keep your big wasteful polluting SUV that gets poor petrol mileage because it's not really polluting and petrol will last for ever.
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It is the middle ground, but you're so small that you can't face up to that minor detail.
No, it's the other side of the "Is global warming man made debate". One side say “t'is” t'other says “t'isn't”. How on Earth can you characterise one side of the debate as 'the middle ground'?

Middle ground would be "a little from column A, a little from column B" which is actually what I think, if you'd like to start again and actually converse for once, rather than stifle same when it's not what you want to hear, especially dropping the now unwarranted insults I'd be more than happy to go over it with you.
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I've never made the claim that 40 isn't higher than 30, that's your delusional position.
If you actually care to read what I wrote I never said you did, nor did I imply such, I said an argument that said the Earth wasn't getting warmer was such, very plainly so.

Also how you've worked out that my position is that 30 is higher than 40 is beyond me, maybe it's a strawman argument you've cooked up, maybe you're simply too arrogant to actually read what I wrote so your fevered brain has to fill in the blanks with whatever passes for an imagination with you. Who's to say, but the point is that it is plainly not MY position as you claim, what are you on?



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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:57 PM

RUE

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S'wenyways,

I go with the consensus of scientists. Not like it's a religion or anything but b/c they have the evidence. If they are proven wrong then I'll change my position.

BTW I just wanted to point out there still are scientists trying to disprove relativity and evolution. Just b/c a theory has gotten the consensus of many doesn't mean it's scientifically dead issue.


Is it hot in here, or is it just me ??

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:00 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by rue:
S'wenyways,

I go with the consensus of scientists. Not like it's a religion or anything but b/c they have the evidence. If they are proven wrong then I'll change my position.

BTW I just wanted to point out there still are scientists trying to disprove relativity and evolution. Just b/c a theory has gotten the consensus of many doesn't mean it's scientifically dead issue.


Is it hot in here, or is it just me ??

Yeah I know, and the first point you raise is what I'm trying to say, but please remember who it is I'm trying to talk to.

If he wants to actually talk what the hell I'll give it a go, but I've tried it before and it just ends with him calling people a moron again.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:04 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by citizen:
Simply put there is nothing in Space to have a temperature. It's not quite that simple because space does have a temperature, of about 3 kelvin, 3 degrees above absolute zero, the lowest possible temperature because at this point atomic vibration ceases to occur.

So how did space's temperature suddenly rise 6 1/2 degrees?

Don't understand Chrisisall

Well as we've seen the temperature of 'space' can drop by two degrees due to rapid dispersion of matter. The 'pressure' drop causes cooling if you like. You can try this yourself, opening the valve on a compressed air canister should noticeable drop the temperature of the canister to the touch. A pressure increase will have the opposite effect.

In the reverse heating increases pressure, cooling decreases pressure. So we can see there is a direct relationship between temperature and pressure. So how could the cosmic background temperature increase? Easy by increasing the pressure of space. How can we increase the pressure of space when we have ascertained it is steadily decreasing due to expansion? Well, maybe the universe isn't expanding any more?

Sure we can see galaxies moving away from us, in some cases at velocities greater than c (this doesn't break special Relativity because the galaxy isn't moving, space is expanding) and for Casual's benefit we know the distance between us and these galaxies is increasing because the light from them is Doppler Shifted to the red end of the visible spectrum (sometimes to such a great extent it leaves the visible spectrum and moves into the infra red).

However one thing we have to remember is that these galaxies are very far away, so far that for some em radiation takes billions of years to reach us, so rather than seeing them now we are seeing how they looked and and acted billions of years ago. Incidentally this is also what gives some credence to the big bang theory, we can actually see some of the distant proto galaxies that began to form Billions of years ago.

So how could space's temperature be increasing? Because the 'pressure' of space is increasing. How could the pressure of space be increasing? Because the universe has stopped expanding and is contracting. Maybe the Universe does 'end' in a 'Big Crunch', it's just going to happen a lot sooner than anyone thought.



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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:05 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by MGTS:
the MGTS thing at the end is my signature smart one
anyway will u answer my question or not??
space is not heating. i cant. this tidbit of yours, crisisall, is just a smokescreen to get us to stop thinking that humans are the problem. for the sake of every who has posted ont this thread plz watch An Incovenant Truth, a documentary but out by Al gore.

Actually, it was probably just a joke. Chrisisall does that. No one knows why. The whole space is warming thing was a joke, much like Al Gore’s fictional global warming movie, which really doesn’t do much more then confirm that the whole global warming stuff is just politics.

Between Al Gore and Michael More, you’d think the Liberals would shut up about the right wing talk radio. Conservatives just don’t have the money to put their bullshit on the big screen.

And whether or not space is “expanding” or “stretching” depends on just how much dark matter there is. If there is enough dark matter then space is “stretching.” At least, that’s one way to look at it.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:25 PM

RUE

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Well DUH ! Of course it was a joke.

But seriously, you've derailed the last few days. breathe ! Think of something nice.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:28 PM

RUE

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An oldie but goodie demonstrating some basic thermodynamic ideas -

Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.
Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell. Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms. Teresa Banyan during my Freshman year, "...that it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then, #2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze."

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:04 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by rue:
Well DUH ! Of course it was a joke.

But seriously, you've derailed the last few days. breathe ! Think of something nice.

Am I the one who missed the joke?

Also if I've done anything that is noticeable on this board in the last few days, I'm probably posting too much. I need to leave and find out what catastrophe has befallen unnoticed.



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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:23 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Some people really, REALLY need to develop a sense of humor.


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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey Rue.... fancy seeing you here.



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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:25 PM

MGTS


ok Crisisall if u will pay atention my simple question was where did u get the silly tidbit u first posted on this thread. i realy hope u dont read Weekly world news. about the the joking around thing, i just asume ppl on the web are being serious because ive met so many ...... not so smart ppl
For the right wing ppl here, do u listen to every word Bush says?? u realy think this war is a good idea?? its another vitnam. we arnt acheving anything over there. u realy thing this global warming thing is a complete joke?? wake up. pull yur head out of yur 12 mpg eskapade. the earth cant suport this kind of . ride a bike now and then.

MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by MGTS:
For the right wing ppl here, do u listen to every word Bush says?? u realy think this war is a good idea?? its another vitnam. we arnt acheving anything over there. u realy thing this global warming thing is a complete joke?? wake up. pull yur head out of yur 12 mpg eskapade. the earth cant suport this kind of . ride a bike now and then.
B]




I'm of the belief that the Repuglicrats are lying to us about the war and the Demoncrats are lying to us about global warming.

If we didn't have catastrophies that we can't do a damn thing about in our lives everyday.... well, then we just may have more time to enjoy what we want to enjoy in life and the sheeple might not be so willing to allow new laws restricting their activities to be constantly placed on them based on fear.

Think about it... Give me one time where we didn't have some catastrophy in the works that was meant to stay deep in the back of our minds. We put it there because all of this crap could really make us crazy if we thought about it 24/7. Maybe we already are all crazy.

My favorite time was between Desert Storm and 9/11. Those were the years I was in highschool and college, so I may have a biased viewpoint, but I can't really think of a impending doom situation then that effected our lives other than the Y2K bug.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't make strides like other countries have towards independance from oil. In fact, if that were to happen, I don't suppose we'd have any fing business in Iraq in the first place, would we?

To somebody like me, you sound just as foolish believing blindly in the all-knowing scientists and their Global Warming crap as the Repuglicrat Zealots do when they're all gung-ho about this BS war.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:08 PM

AURAPTOR

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Are you always this mentally challenged, or is it only when you post here ? I swear, the balance of your replies are, " unt uh.... I know you are, but what am I ? " OR " That's what you said, not me " . I can't debate w/ a 3 yr old!
Sorry, everything you said about me applies to you ONLY, and not me. There, happy?

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Actually cherry picking evidence is your bag, it would seem. You know it's funny how the only person who can't see the parallels between your argument and the creationists is you.
A hollow and empty claim on your part. You're the only one making that claim, so you automatically project it onto everyone else who isn't even following this thread. In your mind, that's how you 'win'. But that's the only place.

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Where as you're better because you set out to prove its nothing to do with you and you can keep your big wasteful polluting SUV that gets poor petrol mileage because it's not really polluting and petrol will last for ever.

You're such a Chicken Little.

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If you actually care to read what I wrote I never said you did, nor did I imply such, I said an argument that said the Earth wasn't getting warmer was such, very plainly so.

Yes, you said that exactly. Don't lie. And stop twisitng my words. I took the middle ground, and you keep ignoring that fact. I granted that a tiny increase in the global temp MAY be occuring, but that it wasn't due to humanity. If I was as 1 sided as you claimed, I'd not even admit there was ANY warming. Man, you really are a dense sod.

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Also how you've worked out that my position is that 30 is higher than 40 is beyond me, maybe it's a strawman argument you've cooked up, maybe you're simply too arrogant to actually read what I wrote so your fevered brain has to fill in the blanks with whatever passes for an imagination with you. Who's to say, but the point is that it is plainly not MY position as you claim, what are you on?

It was your position, and you know it. It made you look silly, so now you're trying to backtrack.





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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:23 PM

MGTS


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I'm of the belief that the Repuglicrats are lying to us about the war and the Demoncrats are lying to us about global warming.

If we didn't have catastrophies that we can't do a damn thing about in our lives everyday.... well, then we just may have more time to enjoy what we want to enjoy in life and the sheeple might not be so willing to allow new laws restricting their activities to be constantly placed on them based on fear.

Think about it... Give me one time where we didn't have some catastrophy in the works that was meant to stay deep in the back of our minds. We put it there because all of this crap could really make us crazy if we thought about it 24/7. Maybe we already are all crazy.

My favorite time was between Desert Storm and 9/11. Those were the years I was in highschool and college, so I may have a biased viewpoint, but I can't really think of a impending doom situation then that effected our lives other than the Y2K bug.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't make strides like other countries have towards independance from oil. In fact, if that were to happen, I don't suppose we'd have any fing business in Iraq in the first place, would we?

To somebody like me, you sound just as foolish believing blindly in the all-knowing scientists and their Global Warming crap as the Repuglicrat Zealots do when they're all gung-ho about this BS war.


i like that you're not suporting either side.
I guess you're right about my following scientists but i only believe what i see. i dont believe Everything i see, but what im seeing right looks beter than waht im seeing coming from D.C.

MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:00 PM

RUE

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MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.

Must go to space ?

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:20 PM

MGTS


plz email me mgts@sonic.net if u want to guess my abrev.

MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


MaGgoTS?

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


.... or MagGoTS?

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:26 PM

YINYANG

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about the the joking around thing, i just asume ppl on the web are being serious because ive met so many ...... not so smart ppl


"Coming from you, that means... almost nothing."

Oh, and welcome to FFF.NET!


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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:48 PM

SIRI


OK - I just gotta say "WHAT???" Even if you don't believe it and it would be a huge reality shift for me to accept that humans are not in any way, shape or form responsible for affecting change in our environment - even if - we don't totally accept it - even if that were the premise - why in the world would we not want to make changes anyway?

We have too much stuff, too much trash, and too many people. We need to be responsible and clean up our bloody messes, cut back on fossil fuels, alternative heating, recycling etc. It's no difference than cleaning up after yourself and considering future consequences.

My humble opinion only.

Siri

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:53 PM

BROWNCOATUNIVERSITY


I wonder in this post if anybody could truly write something to sway the polar opposite side.(I doubt it)

I suppose the debate as well as the controversy springs from one simple fact with Science there is no absolute truth. Yes we have theories, laws, and simple hypotheses but at the end of the day we test and we test and the only thing you can do is prove something to be false. Only by eliminating the impossibilties do you reach "scientific truth" (which as stated is not and never will be absolute)

So the overall consensus currently in the scientific field, as I humbly know it is that Global Warming is occuring and yes we are causing it to increase by leaps and bounds. Global warming yes as someone previously pointed out occurs in a regular cycle every ten thousand years or so the problem with this time is that due to the increased production of Co2 gases into the atmosphere we have far exceeded the normal fluctuations that usually occur with natural global warming.

Perhaps most of all what is causing it is the land stripping of trees across the world to keep up with building demands of our ever growing population. However certainly the use of coal and big manufactoring companies producing inordinate amounts of CO2 certainly have contributed greatly.

As has also been stated there are a handful of scientists and individuals out there who are trying to disprove global warming with little to no evidence supporting there cause. Perhaps if anyone here or any scientists out there have tested or proven any information regarding that CO2 has not effected globabl warming and that we have not produced an excess amount of CO2 please let me know so we can publish this scientific material together. (so we can both be rich please)

I'm not surprised that scientists would oppose such an issue because as stated previously above there is no absolute truth in science and everything and I mean everything is hypothesized as being false. (scientific method simply states that is how you prove it again and again is by proving it not to be false)

For those who say there is nothing we can do if we are causing it perhaps there right perhaps there wrong I certainly hope the latter. However most people are right large monumentous effects would probably not occur in our lifetimes however we do have a strong obligation to uphold this planet for our children and there children and so on and so forth.

It's a sad fact that global warming according to most leading scientists across the world is occuring and that many rather then face the fact would rather run and either deny it or once proved incorrect say they don't care what happens if it's not in their lifetime.

As stated before there are literally thousands of peer reviewed scientific journal articles (which are interestingly enough reviewed by hundreds of other scientists before there publication) affirming that global warming does occur and that we are in fact one of the primary causes of such.

I challenge each and everyone of the strong passionate proponents against global warming on this site to find me one (just one) peer reviewed article published and reviewed by scientists that states global warming is not occuring. I personally would welcome reading it to view the otherside in fact more so because at the end of the day that's what Science does it accurately questions both sides equally.

Unfortunetly the facts have been weighed and the doubters scientifically speaking have been left wanting.

Thanks for your time and have a great week guys! (that's not being smug I promise I actually mean it)
Later!!!

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Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:15 PM

ANTIMASON


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originally posted by SigmaNunki-

@antimason:

Personal freedoms?!?! Restructuring society?!?! Trillions of dollars for it?!?! Control over our lives?!?! It's nothing like terrorism. How do you even make that connection?



just stop and think about it for a second: regardless of whether global warming is indeed occurring, just as the alarmists claim.. what is your solution?? honostly i want to know

until we have alternatives, that are viable economically, there is nothing we can do. what you want is the G8 leaders to hammer out a global plan.. which is just what the NWO elite want, this constant, subconscious threat of the unknown, or in this case the weather.. that will make your personal security, day to day, feel compromised.. to the extent that youll submit to intrusive, literally oppressive government regulations.

if we're going to get a hostile climate anyways, id rather not have the government so far up my ass that they can read my mind..

its not as if there is no effort to replace fossil fuels, but there is a counter effort to suppress and deny these alternatives. the hypocracy is pretty profound, but its probably the same people stealing patents as the ones working through the establishment to put artificial taxes on gasoline, to tax your personal mileage, including tolls, or at certain times of day.. and on and on. the reality is, oil, like money and food, are essential to controlling a populace, and until self sufficiency becomes viable, the political burden will only fall on the poor and middle classes, and drive us into further enslavement

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The gov (well the US gov) doesn't do anything about global warming b/c the oil industry "donates" so much money.


thats the obvious corruption on the surface, only try to picture the motive- where is all this leading? we're talking ultimate control over every aspect of our lives by a single central authority.. and in this age, just as all history before us testifies, its a recipe for unbridled tryanny(the NWO)

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In all seriousness, you really have to let go of this paranoia that the gov is out to get you. I mean, I'm a fairly paranoid person (I'm into secure programming), but seriously, you're scary to me.


im sorry you feel that way.. i wish you had a better grasp on the trend of global events, but the reality is the government IS out to get you, and control is the name of the game

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THAT should say something to you i.e. The practically (as in practical not almost) paranoid is finding you paranoid at a scary level. Just think about that.


im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown


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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:20 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by Citizen:
Middle ground would be "a little from column A, a little from column B" which is actually what I think, if you'd like to start again and actually converse for once, rather than stifle same when it's not what you want to hear, especially dropping the now unwarranted insults I'd be more than happy to go over it with you.


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Are you always this mentally challenged, or is it only when you post here ? I swear, the balance of your replies are, " unt uh.... I know you are, but what am I ? " OR " That's what you said, not me " . I can't debate w/ a 3 yr old!
Sorry, everything you said about me applies to you ONLY, and not me. There, happy?

So that's a no to the actually attempting to talk then?, which I may add is your decision not mine.
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A hollow and empty claim on your part. You're the only one making that claim, so you automatically project it onto everyone else who isn't even following this thread. In your mind, that's how you 'win'. But that's the only place.
That's funny, you're talking about yourself and reusing my old lines to do it. Highly amusing, I'd say get you're own material, but it would seem you are woefully incapable.

Indeed the only place where your continued blather makes any sense or singles out yourself as 'the better man' or 'the winner' is within the fevered mind of a drivelling maniac, whomever that may be.
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You're such a Chicken Little.
What because I recognise that pollution is bad and fossil fuels aren't infinite? Actually the word is realistic, but assign to it whatever makes you feel better.
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Yes, you said that exactly. Don't lie. And stop twisitng my words.
Well actually you are the one lying, but hardly a surprise there huh. If this wasn't the case you'd quote where I said "AURaptor believes the Earth isn't getting warmer" (current sentence omitted of course). You can't do this, because those words don't exist, so your continued blather in light of my correction proves that it is not merely a misunderstanding but a deliberate lie.
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I took the middle ground, and you keep ignoring that fact. I granted that a tiny increase in the global temp MAY be occuring, but that it wasn't due to humanity. If I was as 1 sided as you claimed, I'd not even admit there was ANY warming. Man, you really are a dense sod.
Actually I have conclusively shown how you are on the "is not" side of the "is Global warming man made?" debate. That is not the middle ground, but neither your understanding or admittance of this inordinately simple fact is required for you to continue to make yourself look like a brainless little twit, so please, do continue.
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It was your position, and you know it. It made you look silly, so now you're trying to backtrack.
So you are saying my position is that the Earth is not getting warmer because higher temperatures are not higher than lower temperatures? Man that's an insane thing to say, either outright dellusional or a lie. I need not 'backtrack' (I think you actually mean back peddle, but I understand if it's hard to get these things straight in your viscious vindictive rants) in order to disprove this, my position is firmly and irrefutably in the camp of "global warming is occurring", you know this, I know that you know this, so this is a blatant lie. If you wish to lie to attack me at least make it a good one for god's sake.

I have no wish to further indulge your desire to derail debate on a subject you wish to crush, troll away, but I will not respond, I urge fellow posters when encountering AURaptors posts:

Please don't feed the Trolls.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:25 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
Quote:

THAT should say something to you i.e. The practically (as in practical not almost) paranoid is finding you paranoid at a scary level. Just think about that.


im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown



BWAHHHH!!! OMG. I've been lurking on this thread, not for the debate (which, as usual for RWED, has gone all bitter and name call-y. Blah!) but because it's so entertaining.

This last comment - "I'm not paranoid but Big Brother HAS YOU!" is really the best.

Bravo Chrisisall, for starting such a fabulous thread. Except you really should check your facts - the temperature of space is rising because the Flying Spaghetti Monster stroked it with His Noodly Appendage. The FSM is clearly tied to all manners regarding thermodynamics:

http://www.scq.ubc.ca/?p=231

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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:34 AM

ANTIMASON


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
Quote:

THAT should say something to you i.e. The practically (as in practical not almost) paranoid is finding you paranoid at a scary level. Just think about that.


im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown



BWAHHHH!!! OMG. I've been lurking on this thread, not for the debate (which, as usual for RWED, has gone all bitter and name call-y. Blah!) but because it's so entertaining.

This last comment - "I'm not paranoid but Big Brother HAS YOU!" is really the best.



hey as they say.. "ignorance is bliss"




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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:45 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:

Bravo Chrisisall, for starting such a fabulous thread. Except you really should check your facts - the temperature of space is rising because the Flying Spaghetti Monster stroked it with His Noodly Appendage.

This thread got all manner of wacky...I honestly thought two or three peeps would get a chuckle, then the thread would die. Imagine my shock when more than one took my initial post seriously, and then an actual Global Warming debate sparked!
(btw, my true feeling is yes, there is global warming, and yes, man has affected this natural cycle speeding it up 20% or so meaning that this time next century the snow that reached Texas by the end of our century should be gone.)

Blessed be the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:50 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Actually, it was probably just a joke. Chrisisall does that. No one knows why.

HA! And your beloved "Science" cannot discover the cause!

All with the evil laugh Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:21 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
This thread got all manner of wacky...I honestly thought two or three peeps would get a chuckle, then the thread would die. Imagine my shock when more than one took my initial post seriously, and then an actual Global Warming debate sparked!
(btw, my true feeling is yes, there is global warming, and yes, man has affected this natural cycle speeding it up 20% or so meaning that this time next century the snow that reached Texas by the end of our century should be gone.)

Blessed be the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster Chrisisall



OK, if we're being serious now...

My take is like this. Things we know: 1) the earth is warming up. 2) The earth has natural hot/cold cycles. 3) we human types are putting stuff in the atmosphere. But the problem is, we aren't scientifically with it enough to know how much of 2) and 3) is contributing to 1). There are theories and data to contribute to both sides, but nothing conclusive.

Fair enough, right? Thing is, we'd be damned fools not to take preventive action, just in case it is us. Come on - it's the planet we live on! The cost of destroying it is soooo high. It's a no-brainer to me.

It reminds me of how people stood like a mile from ground zero when they were first testing nukes, because it hadn't occurred to them that there might be this fallout thing. And twenty years later they're wasting away with cancer.

Oh what a little caution could save us from...

How'd I get so serious? Ahh! Must run from RWED! Spaghetti Monster, take me away!

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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:40 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
hey as they say.. "ignorance is bliss"

And it's not paranoia when the voices are real, right?

Oops. Still here.

I really don't mean to fight - I actually agree with some of what you say. Self-serving corporations are largely in control of the government policy-making system, especially the fossil fuel industry. (The root of most of our present evils, I say!)

I'm just saying, FYI, you really should cool yourself a bit if you hope to convince anyone that you're not some raving paranoid lunatic. I'm not calling you that - just saying that people debating you are going to assume it if you give them a chance. And

"im not paranoid one bit, ive accepted the challenge and ill go down fighting- you sound like youve already sumbitted to big brother and his terror alert levels and infinite hysteria over the unknown"

gives them a BIG ole chance. That's all. Peace.

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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:59 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
Spaghetti Monster, take me away!


Great shades of Calgon!

Mini-tune Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

even if - we don't totally accept it - even if that were the premise - why in the world would we not want to make changes anyway?



Make changes? What kind of changes do you suggest ? We're already recycling, cutting back on harmful chemical emissions, etc... Could we better manage our resources ? Yep, most likely. But to suggest if we DON'T make drastic changes that we'd be signing a death sentence to the planet or mankind.... that's where most folks leave the argument.

Quote:

We have too much stuff, too much trash, and too many people. We need to be responsible and clean up our bloody messes, cut back on fossil fuels, alternative heating, recycling etc. It's no difference than cleaning up after yourself and considering future consequences.

So I'm guessing you're not one of the 'Up with People' folk from back in the 70's, huh?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:27 PM

MGTS


You all will find this very intersting.
http://www.myfootprint.org/

MGTS go ahead try to guess what it stands for.

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:17 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

even if - we don't totally accept it - even if that were the premise - why in the world would we not want to make changes anyway?



Make changes? What kind of changes do you suggest ? We're already recycling, cutting back on harmful chemical emissions, etc... Could we better manage our resources ? Yep, most likely. But to suggest if we DON'T make drastic changes that we'd be signing a death sentence to the planet or mankind.... that's where most folks leave the argument.

Quote:

We have too much stuff, too much trash, and too many people. We need to be responsible and clean up our bloody messes, cut back on fossil fuels, alternative heating, recycling etc. It's no difference than cleaning up after yourself and considering future consequences.

So I'm guessing you're not one of the 'Up with People' folk from back in the 70's, huh?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "




Allow me to hold your coat while you try on thet Lemming suit.

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:01 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


#1 greenhouse gas is water vapor. Solution: ban all water on Earth.

#2 greenhouse gas is carbon dioxide. Solution: ban all animals on Earth.

#3 greenhouse gas is methane. Solution: ban all animals and plants on Earth.

#4 greenhouse gas is ozone. Solution: ban all plants and sunlight on Earth.

#1 cause of global warming is the Sun. Solution: ban the Sun.

#1 salesman for global warming is oil company owner Albert Gore, the guy who was declared the winner, yet refused all recounts in during presidential Selection 2000. Solution: ban Al Gore.

Quote:



RealTime X-Ray Photo of Sun
Fahrenheit 3,600,000 Degrees
Nuke Fusion on Sun's Surface
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html
http://indiana.edu/~animal/fun/conversions/temperature.html
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060120solar1.htm
http://discovery.nasa.gov/genesis.html
http://www.magazine.noaa.gov/

Quote:


"The Sun - it's that big firey thing up in the sky. But that's not important right now."



Global Warming Max in 1934
http://www.texemarrs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code
=catalog&Product_Code=pop_3506_cd&Category_Code=October_2006_Programs


Global Cooling Since 1998
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/09/
do0907.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/09/ixworld.html


GLOBAL WARMING ON SUN
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18
.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/18/ixnewstop.html


MARS GLOBAL WARMING
http://www.mos.org/cst-archive/article/80/9.html

JUPITER GLOBAL WARMING
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html

NEPTUNE GLOBAL WARMING
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/19980526052143data_trunc_sys.shtml

PLUTO GLOBAL WARMING
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html

SOLAR SYSTEM WARMING
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106suvjupiter.htm

COSMIC GLOBAL WARMING
100-Million Degree Milky Way
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050217tempsspace.htm

GLOBAL FREEZING
Cyclical Ice Age by 2012
http://freedomradio.us/news/2006/1_january/10_ice_age.html

SOLAR POLE FLIP
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm

WEATHER MODIFICATION INC
http://weathermod.com

TESLA RADIO WX WARS
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=9470

WEATHERWARS
http://weatherwars.info

OWNING THE WEATHER
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8262483364410309502&q=william+
cooper


CHEMTRAIL CENTRAL
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com

CHEMTRAIL 101
Brainwash in US Skool Books
http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/Articles/Chemtrails_In_US_Schools
.htm


CHEMTRAIL DATA
http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html

WEATHER WAR VS USA
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=PET200
60511&articleId=2423


US Senate Bill 517 and US House Bill 2995 declare war on USA. Trimethyl Aluminum and barium are just two of the toxic chemicals used in recent atmospheric heating and testing programs according to NASA. NASA noted in an October 2005 newsletter that persistent contrails are trapping warmth in the atmosphere and exacerbating global warming - May 11, 2006
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109RGDvXW::
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109rsYOGw::

US Dept of Defense - "Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations.It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important." - Jewish Secretary of Defense William Cohen, Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, April 28, 1997
http://home.att.net/~energy-creations/index.CB.html

HISTORY CHANNEL BONEYARD
CIA Evergreen Aviation 747 tankers at Davis Mothan AFB in Tuscon Arizona used to attack USA with Chemtrails
http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=73830&browseCategory
Id=&location=&parentcatid=&subcatid
=

BLOWING SMOKE
A bee smoker is a tool used by beekeepers to blow smoke into a beehive before robbing honey
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-bee-smoker.htm




PS: It's probably not a good idea to suck on a tailpipe, whether the engine is running or not. Unless your intention is suicide, of course.


Fed woman: It's the Pax. The G-Paxilon Hydroclorate that we added to the air processors. It was supposed to calm the population, weed out aggression. Well, it works. The people here stopped fighting. And then they stopped everything else. They stopped going to work... they stopped breeding, talking, eating. There's 30-million people here, and they all just let themselves die.
(smashing down door)
(whine, wimper)
I have to be quick. About a tenth of a percent of... the population had the opposite reaction to the Pax. Their aggressor response increased beyond madness. They have become...
(smashing down door)
Well, they've killed most of us. And not just killed... they've done things.
Wash: Reavers. They made them.
Fed woman: I won't live to report this, but people have to know. We meant it for the best... to make people safer.
(Reavers growling)
God!
(Fed woman screaming)
(Reaver munching)
Reaver 1: Bill, does this taste like chicken to you?
Reaver 2: Ted, I think it takes like sheeple.

PAXIL HCL is an agent in a class of antidepressant medication known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). It is effective and generally well tolerated and has successfully helped people treat their depression, social anxiety disorder, premenstrual dysphoric disorder, and panic disorder.
www.paxil.com


FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=8cd2bd0379340120e7a6ed00f2a53ee5
.1044556

www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org


Does that seem right to you?
www.scifi.com/onair/

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:35 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


PN, Rap,

I hope you realize your posts are clearly beyond reality.

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:10 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
PN, Rap,

I hope you realize your posts are clearly beyond reality.



Good comeback. You really knocked my head off with that one.

But here's something to be afraid of - VERY, VERY AFRAID...

Quote:


"ORNL was prepared. Indeed, a lot of planning was done weeks -- even months -- in advance of Science magazine's publication of research results, and all because of two words: cold fusion. By no means was the ORNL director trashing or diminishing the research conducted by Rusi Taleyarkhan and colleagues at Oak Ridge, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and the Russian Academy of Sciences. There is a lot of important science taking place currently at Oak Ridge -- on CLIMATE CHANGE [HAARP and/or Chemtrails], functional genomics, superconductivity -- but it typically doesn't require his hands-on care or direction, Madia said."
—Frank Munger, editor, Knoxville News-Sentinel, "Bubble hubbub - ORNL was ready when national media burst onto scene", March 11, 2002

"Oak Ridge currently stores more low-level nuclear waste than any other DOE site in the nation. Oak Ridge facilities have more than 47,000 cubic yards of low-level waste in storage - roughly a third of DOE's total inventory nationwide. 26,937 cubic yards at East Tennessee Technology Park (formerly known as the K-25 site). 11,435 cubic yards at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. 8,907 cubic yards at the Y-12 nuclear weapons plant. Many of the containers are stored outdoors, exposed to the elements."
—Frank Munger, editor, Knoxville News-Sentinel, "DOE on mission to cut costs, clean up low-level nuclear waste", March 4, 2002

"The Oak Ridge plant remains an integral cog in the U.S. nuclear defense, producing new parts for existing weapons and recycling old warheads from retired systems. Y-12, of course, is a symbolic location for protests because the plant produced the enriched uranium used in the A-bomb dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, Aug. 6, 1945. Y-12 also serves as the nation's principal repository for bomb-grade uranium."
—Frank Munger, editor, Knoxville News-Sentinel, "Y-12 a cool place for protesters on a budget ", February 6, 2002


The Toxics Release Inventory (TRI) contains information about more than 650 toxic chemicals that are being used, manufactured, treated, transported, or released into the environment.
http://www.epa.gov/enviro/html/tris/tris_overview.html

LOCKHEED MARTIN ENERGY SYS. U.S. DOE Y-12 PLANT
OAK RIDGE, TN

manufacturer -- release to air (1996)
hydrochloric acid = 138,595 lbs/yr
sulphuric acid = 53,283 lbs/yr
methanol = 30,525 lbs/yr
mercury = 140 lbs/yr
lead = 4,923 lbs/yr


National-Scale Air Toxics Assessment 2001
Results: Map of 1996 Emission Densities
http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/nata/mapemis.html

KNOX COUNTY, TN
Ranking in USA 1996 (latest data available for 2001)


diesel particulate matter 1 2 top 95% (HIGHEST RATING)
acetaldehyde (poisonous byproduct in metabolism of alcohol beverages) top 90%
acrolein top 90%
acrylonitrile top 75%
arsenic compunds top 50%
benzene top 90%
beryllium compounds top 75% (Oak Ridge top 95%)
1,3 butadiene top top 95%
cadmium compounds top 50% (Oak Ridge top 95%)
carbon tetrachloride top 90%
chloroform top 90% (Loudon County top 95%)
chromium compounds top 75% (Oak Ridge top 90%)
coke oven emissions below 25% (all of TN)
1,3 dichloropropene top 90%
ethlylene dibromide top 75% (Loudon County top 90%)
ethylene dichlroride top top 50% (Oak Ridge top 95%)
ethylene oxide top 90%
formaldehyde top 90%
hexachlorobenzene 25% to 50%
hydrazine (rocket fuel) top 75% (Cocke County top 95%)
lead top 50% (Oak Ridge top 90%)
manganese compounds top 75% (Roane County top 90%)
mercury compounds top 75% (Oak Ridge top 95%)
methylene chloride (triggers false positive in BAC DWI testing) top 75% (Roane County top 90%)
nickel compounds top 75% (Oak Ridge top 90%)
perchloroethylene top 90%
polychlorinated biphenyle (PCB) bottom 25% (all TN)
polycylic organic matter (PCM) top 75%
7-PAH top 50%
propilene dichloride top 75% (Loudon County top 95%)
quinolene top 75%
1,1,2,2 tetrachloroethane top 75% (Loudon County top 95%)
tichloroethylene top 90% (Loudon County top 95%)
vinyl chloride top 90% (Loudon County top 95%)


INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THE EAST TENNESSEE TECHNOLOGY PARK

Office of Environment, Safety and Health, U.S. Department of Energy (2000)

Pollution above toxic levels surrounding Oak Ridge Nuclear Laboratory (ETTP)

HTML Report (200 pages)
http://tis.eh.doe.gov/oversight/reports/gdps/0010ettp/index.html

PDF Report (200 pages)
http://tis.eh.doe.gov/oversight/reports/gdps/0010ettp/0010ettp.html

Verbatum from the declassified portion of the Report:

"Conservative estimates indicated that 35,000 pounds of uranium were released into the air from all sources. 4,300 pounds of uranium a month was unaccounted for or released to the environment. ETTP operates an incinerator which handles radioactive, hazardous and uranium-contaminated PCB wastes. ETTP generated transuranic elements (isotopes with atomic numbers greater than uranium) such as neptunium-237 and plutonium-239; fission products such as techneitum-99; PCBs; toxic metals; and volatile organic compunds such as trichloroethene (TCE) and present risk to the public. Some contaminants migrated outside the Plant boundary. Waste disposal practices included direct discharge of radioactive materials, toxics and caustics to holding ponds and storm drains, and incineration and burial. Reports reflected a number of spills of nitric and hydrochloric acids, in one case 200 gallons. Numerous large fires and explosions were reported. It is impossible to characterize exposure because of inadequate surveys and incomplete records. Records indicate that as contamination levels increased, exposure controls were reduced. Contamination above limits was commonly detected. Operations have released a variety of contaminants into the environment, such as burial of low-level and hazardous waste in landfills and dumping directly into the Clinch River. Large amounts of contaminated equipment and scrap material were sold at public auction. Tens of thousands of pounds of flourine and hydrogen flouride were emitted annually. The investigation team identified over 600 releases of uranium hexaflouride, and a large, visible cloud was released outside a building. Exposure to 'intense clouds' of uranium powder dusts was prevalent and resulted in intense beta radiation fields. Each month dozens or workers were identified as having exposures exceeding plant control guides. Extensive contamination was prevalent. Recordsindicate many air samples in excess of Plant Allowable Limits. Both chemical and radiological materials have routinely been discharged from the Plant, from both sanitary sewage and storm water systems and materials were directly discharged in Mitchell Branch and Poplar Creek. One million pounds of blowdown water was discharged a day. The hexavalent chromium concentration in Poplar Creek is equal to the level regulated by the site's permit. Contents of 500 uranium hexafloride and other gas cylinders were emptied into the unlined holding pond by shooting the cylinders with high-powered rifles, and this pond discharged into Poplar Creek. Records confirm that radiation exceeded drinking water standards. Over 80,000 drums of pond sludge with low concentrations of uranium were generated in 1988. Ventilation was modified to discharge mercury fumes above the roof. Elevated levels of mercury were found in urinalyses. Records refer to the recovery of tons of mercury. Traps would blow out spilling mercury on the floor. Air sampling in the 1990s identified mercury levels several times the Threshold Limit Value. Continual and volumnous process leaks (blowoffs) were vented to the atmosphere. 4,300 pounds of uranium hexaflouride were released per month. Losses were excessive. 10,000 union grievances were filed and management disputed grievances concerning safety in favor of economic considerations. Many storm drains were not moitored before 1992, and routine and accidental wastes have adversely impacted the environment and the aquatic habitat. Weaknesses in the sampling and monitoring of air pollutant emissions raise concerns regarding the accuracy of public dose and exposure calculations. Environmental radiological protection and surveillance are not compliant with DOE Order. Few records reflect involvement by the Atomic Energy Commission in investigations of serious events. Levels of airborne radioactivity were as high as 35,800 dpm/ft3, and far exceeded the PAL of 2 dpm/ft3. [That's radiation levels over 17,000 times the maximum limit.] Airborne radioactivity far in excess of normal background levels was measured off-site as far as five miles away. A number of criticality and sub-criticality accident experiments were performed and posed a severe radiation hazard. Bladder cancer rates were seven times higher than for the general population, and stomach ulcers were 6.5 times greater. Inhalation of airborn radiation can increase the risk of future cancer." [verbatum from the Report]

NOTE: This report only covered the K-25 plant, not the DOE National Nuclear Security Administration's Y-12 nuclear bombs factory, not the thousands of contaminated lab rats from ORNL's Y-12 nuclear bombs factory Mouse House that are incinerated at the University of Tennessee Medical Center in downtown Knoxville, and did not cover Top Secret "criticality" pollution, "referred to as 'special hazards'" (ie, "small" explosions due to accidental nuclear reactions), and "are discussed in a separate classifed document." The GOPS government of Tennessee previously gave ETTP/ORNL a clean bill of health in 1999.


Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments (ACHRE)
http://gwis.circ.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/radiation/

ACHRE was created by President Clinton on January 15, 1994 to investigate and report on the use of human beings as subjects of federally funded research using ionizing radiation.

11. Intentional Releases: Lifting the Veil of Secrecy
http://tis.eh.doe.gov/ohre/roadmap/achre/chap11.html


"High-level nuclear waste will be hazardous for more than 200,000 years."
-Ralph Nader



http://www.weatherwars.info


Uncle Scam is the biggest polluter in USA, Iraq, Afghanistan and Bosnia, in violation of its own laws. Soulution: ban Uncle Scam.



"You can't stop the signal! But Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire and his cousin the German Queen of England Elizabeth Sax Coberg Gotha can buy my movie rights and SciFi Channel, then kill it."
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=8cd2bd0379340120e7a6ed00f2a53ee5
.1044556

www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org


Does that seem right to you?
www.scifi.com/onair/

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Allow me to hold your coat while you try on thet Lemming suit.
With out any challenge or additional comment as to my stance, you fail miserably to make a ponit.


Clearly, my use of the lemming analogy was meant to be a commentary of how many folks blindly believe there is a man made Global warming crisis, and not a literal description of how lemmings off themselves by all jumping over a cliff. If I had used the ostrich-sticking-its-head-in-the-sand analogy, my MEANING would be understood, even though everyone knows that an ostrich really doesn't stick its head in the ground when scared. Think of how many ostriches would be feasted on by lions/hyennas, etc if instead of running away, they just stood there, heads stuck in the sand.

Quote:

Rap,

I hope you realize your posts are clearly beyond reality.



You can't debunk my posts, so you simply dismiss them, out of hand. Fact: The middle of what is now the United States use to be at the bottom of a shallow, inland sea. The state of Florida was completely submerged. Was it 'global warming' which caused water levels to reach so high? Or was it Noah's flood? If you said 'global warming', you'd be RIGHT! But it wasn't caused by mankind, as we weren't ready to make the scene until some 69,760,000 yrs later. Sorry Al Gore fans.

*sigh* Why am I even bothering with this crap.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:45 AM

ANTIMASON


PirateNews- man, where have you been lately? the global warming issue is always fun, but i needed your cinematics for the 9/11 inside job discussion.. it was brutal

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
PirateNews- man, where have you been lately? the global warming issue is always fun, but i needed your cinematics for the 9/11 inside job discussion.. it was brutal



9/11 Truth is too easy. Just swing your Truth Axe and all heads fall off.

Quote:


Questions to ask skeptics, from Mancow to Oxycontin Rush:

1. Are you a govt employee?
2. Have you read Pentagon's Operation Northwoods?
3. How did WTC 7 fall down, when it wasn't hit by a jet?
4. How come the suicide hijackers are still alive, weren't listed on passenger lists, and trained at US military bases?
5. Are you illiterate?
6. Are you brain damaged?
7. Are you diagnosed as insane?
8. What then is your major malfunction?



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Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:33 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Rap,

Out of all your posts you've made two comments directly related to global warmming. Both were opinions. There isn't anything there for me to 'refute'.

Monday, January 15, 2007 - 23:26
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 00:07
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 11:04
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 11:25
We don't have enough data to know for certain whether climate change is caused primarily by the sun or falls in line w/in the normal heating/cooling this planet experiences over 1000's of yrs.
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 22:43
Kyoto nuts are guilty of the same thing....wanting to cherry pick evidence
Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 22:57
Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 03:08
Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 03:08
Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 23:02
Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 21:44

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:05 PM

FREERADICAL42


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Allow me to hold your coat while you try on thet Lemming suit.
With out any challenge or additional comment as to my stance, you fail miserably to make a ponit.


Clearly, my use of the lemming analogy was meant to be a commentary of how many folks blindly believe there is a man made Global warming crisis, and not a literal description of how lemmings off themselves by all jumping over a cliff. If I had used the ostrich-sticking-its-head-in-the-sand analogy, my MEANING would be understood, even though everyone knows that an ostrich really doesn't stick its head in the ground when scared. Think of how many ostriches would be feasted on by lions/hyennas, etc if instead of running away, they just stood there, heads stuck in the sand.

Quote:

Rap,

I hope you realize your posts are clearly beyond reality.



You can't debunk my posts, so you simply dismiss them, out of hand. Fact: The middle of what is now the United States use to be at the bottom of a shallow, inland sea. The state of Florida was completely submerged. Was it 'global warming' which caused water levels to reach so high? Or was it Noah's flood? If you said 'global warming', you'd be RIGHT! But it wasn't caused by mankind, as we weren't ready to make the scene until some 69,760,000 yrs later. Sorry Al Gore fans.

*sigh* Why am I even bothering with this crap.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "



Mr. Raptor Man, Sir, please provide evidence that Global Warming is a natural effect.

To show causality here in the science world, we need a few things:

1) We need something that when you increase it, the temperature increases.
2) We need something that when you decrease it, the temperature decreases.
3) We need to remove other contributing factors and make sure that the relationship still exists.

So, if it's caused by nature, I'll need you to provide me with data that correlates biomass to temperature (here's a hint as to why you'll fail with that one; the Earth is currently more deforested than it has ever been, habitats are shrinking faster than they have ever been, and the number of species going extinct in comparable to the mass extinction that killed the Dinosaurs; after that one, the temperature went down, not up).

That evidence appears to indicate that global warming is not solely due to nature.

Now let's talk about removing mitigating factors; that would be man. In order for you to prove that it's not man-caused, you'll have to get rid of man-made emissions, because they're definitely affecting your data.

As for "man-made", here's some information for you. Your position relies on the assumption that greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere are static; in fact, these gases are in constant flux and without human sources of CO2, plant life would be sufficient to maintain the temperature at a healthy rate of change (i.e. one that will cause gradual weather changes and sea level increases, then recycle that into decreases). Generally, animal populations are at an equilibrium of not increasing, and so their emissions don't increase, so the *amount* of greenhouse gases does not go up because plants maintain it.

There are problems happening right now with this system:

1) We are cutting down forests like never before, decreasing the earth's ability to deal with CO2 and maintain balance.
2) We are killing animals like never before, which *should* decrease the temperature. All it's doing is decreasing the share of CO2 that animals make.
2) We are burning fossil fuels like never before, making man the only source that increases its CO2 output.

Other sources like water vapor, ozone, etc, are still at a relative equilibrium and so we're okay.

Essentially, we are totally screwing an equilibrium that was perfectly happy without us. Over time, our CO2 increase isn't dealt with by plants because we're killing them all faster than we're killing the animals.

So to say that it's not man-caused isn't avoiding the crowd. It's being ignorant- and hypocritical. If you want to "not be a lemming," you should probably stop eating food- everyone does it, but you could drink gatorade and take vitamins instead and you'd be fine- just mix in some whey protein! Eating food causes too much oxidation and makes you age faster. Let's see how much you enjoy that little plan.

Perhaps you should also avoid paying taxes. Paying taxes directly detracts from your net worth. Think of how much more money you'd have if you broke away from the rest of the lemmings and stop paying your income tax!

Obviously those are examples of how your philosophy, in addition to your opinion, is wrong.

In science we support our claims with observations. If you want to play with the pros, you have to play right, and you're not doing that. So do us all a favor and either learn something or hit the showers, rookie.

But EVEN SO, if you think man isn't responsible, try this one:

MAN CAN CONTROL GLOBAL WARMING.

We know what causes it, and we know what mitigates it. Plants help us deal with greenhouse gases in a cheap and efficient manner. Even if we're not the cause, there are things that we can do to make it better; we can prevent pet and game animal overpopulation, plant more trees, and stop burning fossil fuels. That will keep the backyard from being the back beach, and it doesn't *matter* who's causing the problem. It matters who's fixing it. I'm not going to let you run me off a cliff because you're so worried about who's to blame. It's more important to be proactive and save your life than to know who killed you.




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Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:26 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by freeradical42:
Mr. Raptor Man, Sir, please provide evidence that Global Warming is a natural effect.


Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Allow me to hold your coat while you try on thet Lemming suit.


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
PN, Rap,

I hope you realize your posts are clearly beyond reality.
...
Out of all your posts you've made two comments directly related to global warmming. Both were opinions. There isn't anything there for me to 'refute'.



Guys.

Please don't feed the trolls.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:29 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

We don't have enough data to know for certain whether climate change is caused primarily by the sun or falls in line w/in the normal heating/cooling this planet experiences over 1000's of yrs.


That isn't merely MY opinion, but the opinion of a host of accredited scientist which are so often ignored by the 'mainstream'. So, you dismiss their views out of hand.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:32 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"That isn't merely MY opinion, but the opinion of a host of accredited scientist which are so often ignored by the 'mainstream'."

Please provide data. All you've done so far is make unsupported claims, which is why your posts fall into the category "opinion".

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:35 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Hi Citizen,

Well the board's been kinda slow. Sometimes feeding the trolls is what passes for conversation.

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:47 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:


Guys.

Please don't feed the trolls.


If there's pizza in it for me, I'll be a troll....

You know nothing...grrrr..you are all straw men...science doesn't matter,,,argggg go ahead with the ad hominems, you asshats...grrrr,...that's what all your kind say....Bush cares for our environment! *spittle shoots from mouth*
where's the corporate love?...go live in China where they really polute....grrrrr
only I know the truth...grrrr



Extra cheese please Chrisisall

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:04 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
If there's pizza in it for me, I'll be a troll....

You know nothing...grrrr..you are all straw men...science doesn't matter,,,argggg go ahead with the ad hominems, you asshats...grrrr,...that's what all your kind say....Bush cares for our environment! *spittle shoots from mouth*
where's the corporate love?...go live in China where they really polute....grrrrr
only I know the truth...grrrr



Extra cheese please Chrisisall

You can have a knuckle sandwich

About the limit of my wit at 2AMIsAll...



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Friday, January 19, 2007 10:50 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:


You can have a knuckle sandwich


Food fit for a troll....no thanks, I'll pass.

No troll Chrisisall

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Friday, January 19, 2007 1:26 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


MMMMmmmmmm ..... :slobber: ... knuckle sandwich ... mmmmmmmm .......


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