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Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:39 PM

STDOUBT



I thought this was funny as hell...
copy/pasted from boingboing.net
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Angry liberal guy rant
A couple of years ago, C.B. Shapiro wrote a terrific proposal to allow the red states to secede from the blue states. He's back again with a new piece, titled "Hark, the Angry Liberal Sings."

There’s been some ink spilled lately denigrating so called ‘angry liberals,’ that is, people who have allegedly lost their right to be taken seriously because they are ‘angry.’ And they are ‘liberal.’

Well, I hereby declare myself a charter member in the ALC (Angry Liberal Club).

Sure, at first I felt guilty -- what right do I have as a patriotic American to be angry? Or liberal? Oh, I tried to repress the ‘angry thing,’ I tried -- if I was asked, I claimed I was a ‘peeved moderate.’ Or a ‘mildly upset centrist.’ But after much work through ‘BIT’ (Blog Immersion Therapy), I stopped feeling the shame. I’m coming out of the closet to announce I am an Angry Liberal Guy. And I am pissed.

You might be saying “Man, what are you so angry about, Angry Liberal Guy?”

I’ve compiled a short (and by no means complete) list just so I could see it all in one place:

I’m angry about the shredding of the constitution…illegal wiretaps…falsified intelligence…secret prisons… use of torture as an accepted means of interrogation…Terry Schiavo…the war on science…denial of Global Warming…the fascistic secrecy of our elected officials… presidential signings that declare the President above the law…the breakdown of the wall between church and state…the outing of a clandestine CIA agent for purely partisan political gain…the corrupting influence of K Street… the total sell-out of the legislative process to corporate interests… appointments of unqualified cronies at every level of government…Harriet Miers…Brownie…Abu Ghraib… Scooter …the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq…the lies about the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq…the grotesque budget deficits… the pathetic response to Katrina… a civil rights division dedicated to undermining civil rights…an environmental protection agency that refuses to protect the environment… (Take a breath, Angry Liberal Guy.)

And I’m angry about a smug, simple-minded, incompetent, unqualified President, and a press that denies the obvious fact that we have a smug, simple-minded, incompetent unqualified President.

If these things don’t make you angry, I have to ask -- what the hell is the matter with you?

And what would it take to make you angry? -- C.B. Shapiro
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"peeved moderate" -LOL


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Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:44 PM

PENGUIN


Amen....I'll be a charter member of ALC along with you!


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Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:49 PM

SHINYOTTER


May I be the first to join the Angry Liberal Guy Lady's Auxiliary, aka Angry Liberal Gals!
You are so right on.



ShinyOtter

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I’m angry about the shredding of the constitution ( it's not being shredded ) …illegal wiretaps…( there aren't any wire taps, and the NSA program isn't illegal ) falsified intelligence…( nope, none of that either ) secret prisons…( yeah, I approve of that one. Good job! ) use of torture as an accepted means of interrogation( gotta agree w/ that one too! Although it's not torture. Pity ) …Terry Schiavo…( You're kidding, right ? ) the war on science( ummm..you mean the view that embryonic stem cell study is entitled to Fed Funds? ) …denial of Global Warming ( where cries of which are greatly exaggereated, and not a damn thing man can do about it anyways) …the fascistic secrecy of our elected officials…( only to be outdone by the fanatical leaks of some political zealots on the Left ) presidential signings that declare the President above the law…( Remember this little gem " Stroke of the pen, Law of the land...Kinda cool! " Paul Begala , during the Clinton White House ) the breakdown of the wall between church and state…( break down? HA! ) the outing of a clandestine CIA agent for purely partisan political gain…( You're talking about Joe Wilson outing his own wife ? ) the corrupting influence of K Street…( Congressman William Jefferson (D- LA )? ) the total sell-out of the legislative process to corporate interests…( No worse than a total sell out of US security under Clinton to the Chinese ) appointments of unqualified cronies at every level of government…Harriet Miers…Brownie…( How about Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Justices Roberts and Alito? ) Abu Ghraib ( A few bad apples, which were uncovered not by ABC news, but by the US Military ) … Scooter ( yawn ) …the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq…( kicked the hell out of Saddam in 3 weeks, didn't we ? ) the lies about the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq ( oh yeah, the 'lies'. Ha ha ha! ) …the grotesque budget deficits..(hey, we agree on one thing! ) … the pathetic response to Katrina..( the least amount of blame goes to Bush, while you ignore state, local Gov'ts for their complete and utter collapse of duty ) … a civil rights division dedicated to undermining civil rights… ( huh? that makes no sense what so ever ) an environmental protection agency that refuses to protect the environment…( Except that the enviroment is better now than ever )

Take a breath, Angry Liberal Guy. ( You need far more than a breath )

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:29 PM

ZISKER


First, I think that was a very cute and funny piece of writing and Mr. Shapiro should bed commended for his wit. Second, "so you're angry, so what"? This is Slactivism at its finest. Direct that anger and take to the bloody streets or something.

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:50 PM

STDOUBT


Quote:


Direct that anger and take to the bloody streets or something.


I can't. 'Cause then the streets would be... well,
bloody. Don't much care for the sight of blood.
I'll just keep on slackin' 'till they come for me
and mine. Then there'll be some blood. I'll just
keep my eyes closed.
Don't want to sit and chant the obvious in a
"Free Speech Zone". Don't want to cast a vote
into a hackable blackbox. Don't wanna hurt
nobody. Don't wanna break stuff. Don't really
know WTF to do...

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:55 PM

STDOUBT


@AURaptor
Man, you're right. I see the light now. Praise the
Lord and pass the ammunition, brother.
FWIW, you really gotta drop the whole "Clinton
was bad too" thing. WE KNOW. He's a globalist just
like your daddy Bush. Kerry too. It's called the
New World Order, and you're voting for it.
But what the hell do I know? It works in Star Trek...

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by STDOUBT:
[B]@AURaptor
Man, you're right. I see the light now. Praise the
Lord and pass the ammunition, brother.
FWIW, you really gotta drop the whole "Clinton
was bad too" thing. WE KNOW. He's a globalist just
like your daddy Bush. Kerry too. It's called the
New World Order, and you're voting for it.
But what the hell do I know? It works in Star Trek...



Globalist as in our Border Patrol telling the Mexican Gov't where the Minutemen patrols are going to be ? You're right. But I wish the folks who got ticked off at Bush over stuff like that also wouldn't give Clinton a pass at the stuff he did. That's all I'm sayin'.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:01 PM

IHAPPYMICHAEL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Except that the enviroment is better now than ever )




Your level of self-delusion is astounding. That's one of the dumbest damned things I've ever heard.

Edit: Damn. My brother used my computer and didn't log out. So, the above was posted by Storymark.

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:28 PM

STDOUBT


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Globalist as in our Border Patrol telling the Mexican Gov't where the Minutemen patrols are going to be ? You're right. But I wish the folks who got ticked off at Bush over stuff like that also wouldn't give Clinton a pass at the stuff he did. That's all I'm sayin'.

We can argue Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative,
'till we're Divided/Conquered... Meanwhile our
country is getting shitcanned by the people in
power. It ain't about the PARTIES. That's
what I'm sayin'.

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:57 PM

FREDGIBLET


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I’m angry about the shredding of the constitution ( it's not being shredded )



The president is seizing far more power than he is given by the Constitution, he has been basically saying that he can do whatever he wants because he is the law, which is false.

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…illegal wiretaps…( there aren't any wire taps, and the NSA program isn't illegal )


Um, did you miss that thing where Bush himself said that the wiretaps weren't illegal because he could do whatever he wanted? WHERE BUSH SAID THAT THERE WERE WIRETAPS? Also, if he doesn't get a warrant from FISA within 72 hours it is illegal.

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falsified intelligence…( nope, none of that either )


Falsified maybe not. Exaggerated beyond reality? Most definitely

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secret prisons…( yeah, I approve of that one. Good job! )


Just be sure to never speak out against the Pres or you may find yourself in one as an 'enemy combatant'.

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use of torture as an accepted means of interrogation( gotta agree w/ that one too! Although it's not torture. Pity )


See above

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…Terry Schiavo…( You're kidding, right ? )


Not sure exactly what either of you are saying with this one so I guess I shouldn't have bothered copying it.

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the war on science( ummm..you mean the view that embryonic stem cell study is entitled to Fed Funds? )


I imagine that he was talking about the pushing of "Intelligent Design" instead of science in schools. You may be right though. He may be talking about the embryos that are going in the trash instead of towards medical research because a few people are too worried that babies will be concieved just to be sold to researchers, which is ludicrous considering how many embryos are thrown away anyways.

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…denial of Global Warming ( where cries of which are greatly exaggereated, and not a damn thing man can do about it anyways)


Exaggerated I'll admit, but it is real and we have to try to do something about it.

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…the fascistic secrecy of our elected officials…( only to be outdone by the fanatical leaks of some political zealots on the Left )


I think the secrecy far outdoes the leaks, but it is partisanship at its best (sarcasm)

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presidential signings that declare the President above the law…( Remember this little gem " Stroke of the pen, Law of the land...Kinda cool! " Paul Begala , during the Clinton White House )


Bush has put out more than 4 times the signing statements of Clinton, and Bush even has control of Congress so he shouldn't have to. This is just one example of Bush wanting to be above the law "I don't like that law so I'm going to re-write it in my own image"

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the breakdown of the wall between church and state…( break down? HA! )


Intelligent Design, Abortion, Religious Conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court, yeah the wall hasn't broken yet, but it's cracking.

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the outing of a clandestine CIA agent for purely partisan political gain…( You're talking about Joe Wilson outing his own wife ? )


Um no I believe that he was talking about the Bush Administration outing mrs. Plame. Which according to their own guy was ordered by Bush.

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the corrupting influence of K Street…( Congressman William Jefferson (D- LA )? )


Not sure what K street is...skipping.

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the total sell-out of the legislative process to corporate interests…( No worse than a total sell out of US security under Clinton to the Chinese )


Actually they are probably about equal...except that the corporations will benefit more by ruthlessly screwing us.

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appointments of unqualified cronies at every level of government…Harriet Miers…Brownie…( How about Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Justices Roberts and Alito? )


Colin Powell quit because he didn't like Bush's policies, Roberts and Alito are qualified but there are doubtless much more qualified people for the positions, Condi doesn't seem to be anything special either.

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Abu Ghraib ( A few bad apples, which were uncovered not by ABC news, but by the US Military )


Admitted, of course it wouldn't have happened if our soldiers weren't treated so poorly and sent into a war with no clearcut endgame or purpose.

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… Scooter ( yawn )


Scooters not even worth getting worked up about IMHO.

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…the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq…( kicked the hell out of Saddam in 3 weeks, didn't we ? )


Was there ever any doubt? We won the fight because of vastly superior forces, not good management. Post-invasion things have been a mess, it took far too long to secure the borders and there are simply not enough troops to finish the job. While the soldiers do an excellent job with what they have, the leaders (if they can be called that) of the war don't seem to have a clue.

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…the grotesque budget deficits..(hey, we agree on one thing! )


Yes we do.

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… the pathetic response to Katrina..( the least amount of blame goes to Bush, while you ignore state, local Gov'ts for their complete and utter collapse of duty )


State should take some blame, but local was just as busy setting up tents on their roofs as the citizens. The real proof of the problem in my opinion is that the ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE got to New Orleans before FEMA. The response was inadequate and poorly managed. Honestly Bush should not be directly blamed for it but he DID appoint a buddy as head of FEMA who had no experience or qualification, which makes him a serious part of the problem.

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… a civil rights division dedicated to undermining civil rights… ( huh? that makes no sense what so ever )


You are absolutely right, and that is his point.

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an environmental protection agency that refuses to protect the environment…( Except that the enviroment is better now than ever )


By whose count? I have seen numbers showing air pollution and water pollution increasing quite noticeably in the last 5 years.
EDIT: forgot to mention that while pollution HAS decreased considerably in the past few decades, Bush had nothing to do with it, it was mostly the LIBERAL congresses of the past few decades.


I particularly like how many points you just laughed off or said nope to instead of making a point or proving him wrong.

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:01 PM

SERGEANTX


Quote:

Originally posted by STDOUBT:
Quote:

Globalist as in our Border Patrol telling the Mexican Gov't where the Minutemen patrols are going to be ? You're right. But I wish the folks who got ticked off at Bush over stuff like that also wouldn't give Clinton a pass at the stuff he did. That's all I'm sayin'.

We can argue Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative,
'till we're Divided/Conquered... Meanwhile our
country is getting shitcanned by the people in
power. It ain't about the PARTIES. That's
what I'm sayin'.



You can say that again. If it weren't so depressing, it would be rather comical the way they keep everyone distracted with the left/right circus. Open your eyes people. This isn't about cheerleading. Our leaders are screwing us! Does it really matter what team they're on???

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:03 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I'm angry at Auraptor, who is right there with the prez in terms of neurons and morality. (few and none respectively). It's like I say....


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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:32 PM

SASSALICIOUS


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Terry Schiavo…( You're kidding, right ? )



The government had better things to do than get involved in that dispute. Yes, the husband was acting like a jackass, but her parents weren't much better. Both turned what should have been a private affair into a media spectacle.

Furthermore, she had the right to die, if that's what she wanted. Yes, that's debatable, given that there was no will, but I tend to believe her husband wasn't an evil man. And the doctors also agreed that she was never going to recover. An autopsy performed after her death revealed that there was massive irreversible brain damage and that she was blind. Ergo, she couldn't actually see people or communicate with them. Her parents continue to believe that she was ok, despite the scientific evidence staring at them. (from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8225637/ and any other news source)

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the war on science( ummm..you mean the view that embryonic stem cell study is entitled to Fed Funds? )


Why shouldn't we spend money on researching embryonic stem cells? Because they're "human beings"? "embryonic stem cells are typically created using frozen embryos that fertility clinics plan to discard" (from: http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2006/03/25/germans_announc
e_stem_cell_advance
/). Fertility clinics throw out the extra ones; shouldn't they put to use instead of wasting that life. But I guess the trash is a better place to end up than possibly saving someone's life.

The "war on science" extends further than embryonic stem cells. Evolution vs. Intelligent Design vs. Creationism? Fossils? The age of Earth? I'm sorry Jerry Falwell, but dinosaur bones weren't put on earth by the devil in order to trick mere mortals. The "war on science" arguable extends to sex education as well. Research shows that abstinence only education fails, but despite scientific evidence to the contrary, people still look the other way and think that telling a teenager "don't do it" is an awesome idea. Though modern sex ed. is more like reproductive biology and hardly deserves the title sex education.


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…denial of Global Warming ( where cries of which are greatly exaggereated, and not a damn thing man can do about it anyways)


How are they exaggerated? The temperature IS going up. CO2 levels have increased exponentially since the industrial revolution (coincidence . . . doubtful). Over millions of years, the climate has been in flux; however, it's never been a man-made flux, nor has happened on as small of a time scale as the most recent one. I'm glad you think there isn't a damn thing we can do about it, but when New Orleans, NYC, Los Angeles, and other low lying coastal cities are underwater, I'll bet they will wish we had tried a little harder to slow-down/prevent global warming.

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the breakdown of the wall between church and state…( break down? HA! )


I don't know that "breakdown" is the word I'd choose, but the current administration certainly pursues nearly all policies from an evangelical christian point of view, which I believe isn't the point of view that's best for the country.


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the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq…( kicked the hell out of Saddam in 3 weeks, didn't we ? ) the lies about the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq ( oh yeah, the 'lies'. Ha ha ha! )


There weren't really any terrorists in Iraq. They would have been a threat to Saddam. There weren't any WMDs found in Iraq. I hardly think Saddam was a legitimate threat to U.S. safety. He is an evil bastard, as were his sons, but that's not necessarily viewed as a reason to kick out a leader. If it was a good reason, we would have ousted many other historically evil leaders (Suharto, Pol Pot, Ariel Sharon, Ferdinand Marcos, any # of genocidal dictators in Africa, etc), but Saddam was convenient.

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an environmental protection agency that refuses to protect the environment…( Except that the enviroment is better now than ever )


That's why our fish are mercury ridden and pregnant women are cautioned against eating them. That's why winter is coming later and ending earlier in Arctic, leading to deaths of polar bears and disruption of life for the tribal people in Alaska and Northern Canada. That's why atmospheric CO2 is on the rise. That's why our sons are being born with nondefined genitals (pthalate exposure in utero can lead to smaller genitals and incomplete testicular descent, in addition to decreased semen quality and fertility). Bisphenol A, another chemical now being found widely in nature, can lead to impaired mammary development in females. ( http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Plasticizers/Phthalates-Bisphenol-A-D
evelopment27may05.htm
)
There are all kinds of pollutants in our lakes (nitrogen and phosphorus run off from obsessive use of fertilizers in search of that perfect green lawn), leading to dangerous algal blooms. The environment certainly is not "better than ever".


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Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:39 PM

SASSALICIOUS


Re: mismanagement of the war

Troops are also being sent in completely unprepared. A family friend/distant cousin of mine is in the South Dakota National Guard and was sent to Iraq. What did he have to ask for for christmas from his parents? A compass along with other BASIC soldier necessities that weren't being provided to him.

But inadequately outfitting the soldiers must not fall under the term "mismanagement".

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Friday, May 12, 2006 12:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Ihappymichael:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Except that the enviroment is better now than ever )




Your level of self-delusion is astounding. That's one of the dumbest damned things I've ever heard.

Edit: Damn. My brother used my computer and didn't log out. So, the above was posted by Storymark.



Keep following the rest of the sheep. Baahaaa!

Fact is, there are rivers here that are cleaner now that would catch on fire because they were so dirty back in the 70's. Progress has been made, but some choose not to see it.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, May 12, 2006 1:39 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Auraptor - read, rinse, repeat, and it's not polite to talk with your mouth full:


www.workingforchange.com

The term "liberal" is likewise discredited, since it's officially synonymous with covert Communism, aka, neoCONism. Billionaire Kerry/Kohn is Skull & Bones and lies nekked in coffins masturbating with the Bushes, and he intentionally lost in 2004, refusing to spend $51-million in "leftover campaign funds" (legalized bribery), and refused recounts in Ohio and the other 49 states.

RepubliCONS and DemoRATS have sold out USA. They are two CRIMINAL gangs with mutual aid treaties to destroy USA for the New World Odor global shadow dictatorship, as proven by NAFTA SHAFTA and wide-open borders. The Masonic Mafia's double-headed eagle could be used as an anaology for the so-called "two party sytem" worldwide.


www.humphrey-masonic-center.org
www.srmason-sj.org/web/index.htm

The most bizarre proof of all is that "liberal Democrats" REFUSE to attack the Bushes for their confessed TREASON when they perped domestic TERRORISM against uSA on 9/11/2001. This is obviously a prearranged sellout of uSA, since the Democrats fought so hard to successfully defeat Bush Sr during Iran-Contra, when the Sr Bush White House was criminally prosecuted for narcoterrorism and confessed terrorist bombings to murder US citizens. Kerry wrote a 35-volume Congressional Report on his Iran-Contra hearings, and he could slam the Bushes for being narco kingpins, if he really wanted to win. But Kerry's family has been in the opium business with the Bush Gang for over 200 years, via Yale Skull & Bones' Russell Trust, and their corporate pirate flag of the Jolly Roger skull & crossbones.

Why is it that reformed Republicans are the only ones attacking Bushes for perping 9/11? Besides the obvious "3rd party" candidates in Libertarian and Constitutional Parties. Green and Reform Parties have been infiltrated, bought and paid for since at least 1992.

Honest intelligent folk need to run for local office, and play hardball to win, which means you can't count on votes to win. When you campaign against a criminal, you lock them up in jail. You DON'T trust a criminal to count the votes.


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Friday, May 12, 2006 1:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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The president is seizing far more power than he is given by the Constitution, he has been basically saying that he can do whatever he wants because he is the law, which is false.
My, that's certainly presumptious of you to say. It's debatable, ok, but that isn't what he's doing. Not by a long shot. He's doing what is necessary.

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Um, did you miss that thing where Bush himself said that the wiretaps weren't illegal because he could do whatever he wanted? WHERE BUSH SAID THAT THERE WERE WIRETAPS? Also, if he doesn't get a warrant from FISA within 72 hours it is illegal.

Yeah, I missed that part. Where did he say that? Got a quote ? Seems he does NOT need a warrant from the FISA court. Not every case is the same. Dealing w/ international terrorism is different than dealing w/ the mob. It's about WINNING, and those trying to undermine the US efforts to protect itself and its citizens is pretty fucking unbelievable.

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Falsified maybe not. Exaggerated beyond reality? Most definitely

Exaggerated by whom ? Every other intel agency in the world? Bill Clinton, who said ...[
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.


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Just be sure to never speak out against the Pres or you may find yourself in one as an 'enemy combatant'.
That's about the most absurd thing I've seen posted here from anyone NOT named Piratenews. There's a wave of self induced paranoia here that hides in the guise of Bush hating. I already HAVE spoken out against the President. Many have, and they're not in jail. Hard to continue w/ any level of seriousness after your ridiculous comment.

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I imagine that he was talking about the pushing of "Intelligent Design" instead of science in schools. You may be right though. He may be talking about the embryos that are going in the trash instead of towards medical research because a few people are too worried that babies will be concieved just to be sold to researchers, which is ludicrous considering how many embryos are thrown away anyways.
The I.D. nut jobs are a product of years of Creationites figuring a way to put religion back in the school. Bush has nothing to do w/ that movement. And as for Embryonic stem cell research, all Bush has done is cut FEDERAL funding. He's not in the least banned it, and private $$ is still free to be thrown down that spider hole. To date, there's every indication that adult stem cells, not from embryos, hold the best possibility for success. But fight those windmills all you want, it's of little concern to me.


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(Global Warming ) Exaggerated I'll admit, but it is real and we have to try to do something about it.


What is 'real' is that the Earth heats and cools over time, regardless of whether humans even exists or not! 'Human initiated' global warming hasn't been verified, and there's plenty of evidence going back millions of years that shows mild variations in global temperature that has nothing to do w/ mankind.

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Bush has put out more than 4 times the signing statements of Clinton, and Bush even has control of Congress so he shouldn't have to. This is just one example of Bush wanting to be above the law "I don't like that law so I'm going to re-write it in my own image
Again, all this talk about Bush going outside or above the law is absurd. There have always been areas where one branch of Govt's powers end, and another branch of Gov't starts. There is nothing new about this in US politics in the least. We're at war, unless you've not kept up w/ current events. There is a very real enemy who has declared open war on pretty much all the West. You can't have things both ways where you get to criticize Bush for doing too little AND too much.

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Intelligent Design, Abortion, Religious Conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court, yeah the wall hasn't broken yet, but it's cracking.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I know I.D. to be the farse that it is, a thinly veiled attempt to slip Creationism into our schools. And Bush might even been in favor of that, but he's done next to nothing in prodding the NEA or pushing that I.D. be taught in classrooms. He's got bigger things to deal with. Abortion? There's lots of folks who simply don't care for it, and that could take up another thread itself. Religious Conservatives? Newsflash, there are lots of folks in this country who fall into that catagory. You can't ban them, especially well qualified folks like Alito and Roberts , just because of their religion. That's called discrimination. John Ashcroft was probably the kookiest of the religious conservatives you speak of, and he did a lot of good while at his post. But to be honest, I think Reagan was more religious than Bush, and he didn't jam the bible down anyones throat either. Don't panic.

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Colin Powell quit because he didn't like Bush's policies, Roberts and Alito are qualified but there are doubtless much more qualified people for the positions, Condi doesn't seem to be anything special either.
Colin Powell was appinted by BUSH as the nations first Black Secretary of State. Powell was supremely qualified, having held the position of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Presidents Bush 41 and Clinton. The point was about " appointments of unqualified cronies at every level of government ". Harriet Myers was never appointed. 'Brownie' was later exonerated by those in the media who vilified him. He wasn't the clown that he was made out to be. The problems were a) state/ local authorities ( see:nagin) did absolutely NOTHING , making everyone elses job much harder and b ) The moving of FEMA under the umbrella of Homeland Security. But your comment about Roberts and Alito are laughable. These 2 are supremely qualified, and the remark that " there are doubtles much more qualified people for the positions" is pattently absurd. Condi doesn't seem to be anything special ? I'm sure you don't mean that Check out her bio > http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html

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Um no I believe that he was talking about the Bush Administration outing mrs. Plame. Which according to their own guy was ordered by Bush.
thee's been so much misreporting and lying about this case, I don't have time to say much other than it's a whole lot about nothing. Joe Wilson outted his wife, not Bush.

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Actually they are probably about equal...except that the corporations will benefit more by ruthlessly screwing us.
Because that's why corporations do, is ruthlessly screw us, right? Spoken like a true anti-capitalist , freedom hating, commie. :smiel: ......

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I particularly like how many points you just laughed off or said nope to instead of making a point or proving him wrong.


Mainly because they're too absurd to even comment, but also because there are so many points that need dismissing, I don't have time to waste picking off each and every one. Remember, a lie can be half way around the world before the truth has had time to put it's pants on. I thought I did rather well on taking on the whole thread, don't you ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, May 12, 2006 1:53 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Piratenews - It's amazing how you cut/ paste all those funny, cute photos and reams of text from other sites, and yet you continue to say absolutely NOTHING!! That truly is a skill of morons unparalleled anywhere on this site. Congrats!

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, May 12, 2006 2:04 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm angry at Auraptor, who is right there with the prez in terms of neurons and morality. (few and none respectively).

I think it's like talking to a three year old. Think about it, the level of mental reasoning is "daddy (George Bush) said" and when you inevitably prove him wrong he has a tempertantrum and calls you a big stupid head before running away to go sulk in his room (other thread).

It's really quite amusing, it is like talking to my god daughter sometimes, except her behaviour is improving (she's growing up) and she'd never use some of the words AURapter thinks are appropriate. I guess she's a better behaved three year old than AU.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

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Friday, May 12, 2006 2:07 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Piratenews - It's amazing how you cut/ paste all those funny, cute photos and reams of text from other sites, and yet you continue to say absolutely NOTHING!! That truly is a skill of morons unparalleled anywhere on this site. Congrats!

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "



Spoken like a true idiot moron criminal traitor terrorist who deserves to be electroshocked in the orifice until DEAD by natural causes in Commie Gitmo, as legalized by your god Bushes' U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act. If the US Govt hired me as an executioner, after your conviction by martial law tribunal, I'd be happy to kill you myself, and I'd really enjoy spending my govt paycheck.

I hear you - you don't like people, and you want to kill them. Well, I don't like YOU.

Be careful what you wish for, auraptor, you might just get the Bush Gang's wish on 9/11 for total martial law. If Colonel Rick Gibney and his commanding generals hadn't disobeyed Cheney's illegal Stand Down order and shot down United Airlines Flight 93, the US Congress would have been decapitated, worse than the Reichstag. Remember what Hitler did to his loyal Brownshirts on the Night of the Long Knives...
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Convicted felons promoted to president
www.geocities.com/skull_and_bones_nazis
www.piratenews.org

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Bush Sued by RICO Act - 9/11 victims sue Bush Gang under RICO Act for perping domestic terrorism and mass murder on 9/11/2001. Stanley Hilton vs traitorous media whores Shaun Hannity and Alan Colmes for Jewish Australian porno king pimp daddy Rupert Murdock on Faux News.
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/10/7209.php

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Operation Northwoods - James Banford from ABC News reported on Pentagon's Operation Northwoods plot to perp domestic terrorism in USA to blame a foreign nation and "justify" invasion, declassified in 2000
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/10/7209.php
http://BodyOfSecrets.com

United Airlines Flight 93 Giant Boxcutter Memorial Tombstone
WTC victims buried in Fresh Kills Landfill
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/piratenewsrss/message/240

"Towers that fell 'like a controlled demolition'. Planes that vanished then mysteriously reappeared, and crucial evidence that has been lost for ever. In the Pentagon, a top secret team drew up a plan to simultaneously send up two airliners painted and numbered exactly the same, one from a civil airport in America, the other from a secret military airbase nearby. The one from the airport would have military personnel on board who had checked in as ordinary passengers under false names. The one from the airbase would be an empty drone, a remote-controlled unmanned aircraft. Somewhere along their joint flight paths, the passenger-carrying plane would drop below radar height, and disappear, landing back at the airbase and unloading its occupants in secret. Meanwhile, the drone would have taken up the other plane's designated course. High over the island of Cuba, it would be exploded in mid-air after broadcasting an international distress call that it was under attack from enemy fighters. The world would be told that a plane load of blameless American holidaymakers had been deliberately shot down by Fidel Castro's Communists - and that the US had no choice but to declare war and topple his regime. This Top Secret 'agent provocateur' plan - code named Operation Northwoods and revealed in official archives - dates from 1962 when the Cold War was at its height and was declassified in 2000."
-Tony Rennell, London Daily Mail, "9/11 ON TRIAL -Towers that fell 'like a controlled demolition'. Planes that vanished then mysteriously reappeared, And crucial evidence that has been lost for ever. A new book raises bizarre yet deeply unsettling questions about the world's worst terror atrocity…" August 6, 2005
http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/911_mainstream_media.htm

"Operation NORTHWOODS may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. Operation Northwoods had called for nothing less than the launch of a secret campaign of terrorism within the United States in order to blame Castro and provoke a war with Cuba."
—James Bamford, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
http://bodyofsecrets.com

"In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation NORTHWOODS, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro. America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military. Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job. Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy. "The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford."
—David Ruppe, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

"We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. The presense of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The US could follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation. We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. Use of MIG-type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping, and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type palnes would be useful. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce that fact. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged. It is possible to create an incident which would demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civilian airliner from the United States. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rondevous. From the rondevous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly to an auxiliary airfield at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. Meanwhile the drone aircraft will continue to fly the filed flight plan. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident. It is possible to create an incident that will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly Tail-end Charlie. While near the Cuban island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. This pilot would then fly at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who performed the mission under an alias would resume his proper identity. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared. A submarine or small craft would distribute F-101 parts, parachute, etc. The pilots retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found."
—Jewish Zionist General L.L. Lemnitzer, chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, Memo to Secretary of War Robert McNamara - Subject: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba - Operation NORTHWOODS, March 13, 1962 (declassifed 2000)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

VIDEO DOWNLOAD: Jewish Fox TV's Lone Gunmen pilot episode - Broadcast in March 2001, re Jewish General LL Limnitzer's Operation Northwoods plot by Pentagon, CIA and Jewish Ike/LBJ White House to hijack a US airliner by remote control and crash it into the Jewish Rockefeller's World Trade Center, declassified in 2000
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/6758.php

"I don't trust government. And neither should our citizens."
—US Senator Larry Craig (Republican), United States Senate, Committee on the Judiciary, "DOJ Oversight: Terrorism and Other Topics", testimony by US Attorney General John Ashcroft re President George Bush Jr.'s Executive Orders to "legalize torture" of US citizens and refusal to release that memo (felony Contempt of Congress), C-SPAN2, June 8, 2004

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be."
—President Thomas Jefferson

"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. I don't know where Usama is, and I don't care. The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper!"
-George Bush Jr
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html


Auraptor, do you REALLY love Jr Bush? Or are you paid to phlog your garbage?


Someone's carryin a bullet for you right now, and don't even know it.
-Mal, The Message

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php

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Friday, May 12, 2006 3:42 AM

REAVERMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
...idiot moron criminal traitor terrorist who deserves to be electroshocked in the orifice until DEAD by natural causes in Commie Gitmo, as legalized by your god Bushes' U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act.



Have you even read the PATRIOT act? I have. In fact, I have a copy of the entire act in my desk that I am typing on right now. It says nothing about being "electroshocked in the orfice until DEAD by natural causes in Commie Gitmo". It actually doesn't legalize torture. Most of the act itself is pretty redundant, seeing as how most of the powers it "gave" the govenment were already in place. The act basically just updated laws that have been around since the fifties and sixties.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Friday, May 12, 2006 6:21 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Except that the enviroment is better now than ever )




Your level of self-delusion is astounding. That's one of the dumbest damned things I've ever heard.

Edit: Damn. My brother used my computer and didn't log out. So, the above was posted by Storymark.



Keep following the rest of the sheep. Baahaaa!

Fact is, there are rivers here that are cleaner now that would catch on fire because they were so dirty back in the 70's. Progress has been made, but some choose not to see it.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "



Okay, I'll grant, for the sake of argument, that some rivers may be cleaner now than in the 70's (which I doubt it true on the whole - and surprise surprise, you don't have anything to back it up). But, just in case you weren't aware, cleaner than in the 70's does not equal "cleaner than ever". Or do you consider your lifespan the entirety of existance?

And just because some progress has been made, does not mean we should stop. And if you're going to defend this administration's enviornmental policy, you prove yourself to be an idiot beyond reason.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, May 12, 2006 6:39 AM

CHRISISALL


Some people need to believe the world's not on the edge, but it always is. And sometimes it falls. So far, it's always survived, but if more people could be open to the idea of our ability to halt those disasters by facing real problems right now, and not sugar-coating them with blind obedience to the status-quo, the problems we have would be much more controllable.



What? Me worry? Chrisisall

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Friday, May 12, 2006 6:58 AM

CITIZEN


I liked the bit when AURaptor called someone else a sheep, pure pure grade A gold material. The man should be in show biz.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

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Friday, May 12, 2006 7:57 AM

STORYMARK


True, he is good for a laugh sometimes.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, May 12, 2006 10:47 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


I belive AURAPTOR and PIRATENEWS may be two sides of the same Schizophrenic.
And you never see them together do you?
Just a theory.

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 4:34 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by citizen:
I liked the bit when AURaptor called someone else a sheep, pure pure grade A gold material. The man should be in show biz.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.



You just can't stop thinking about me, huh? Doesn't even take a reply to me or a reply to what someone else said ABOUT me, you still are compelled to post something. Have you thought about picking up a hobby, something non internet related ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 4:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm angry at Auraptor, who is right there with the prez in terms of neurons and morality. (few and none respectively). It's like I say....


---------------------------------
Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.



I don't have degrees from Harvard OR Yale, so W is 2 up on me ( and I'd suspect you as well ). And there's every indication that Bush was more of ( but not by much ) a student and scored higher on IQ test than did John Kerry, for what THAT'S worth. I guess not much.

Morality ? On what do you base YOUR view about MY morals? It's funny to see folks get all bent out of shape over things which they have no clue. I'd ask you to give examples, but you won't. You'll just flap on about what a Bush lover I am, and repeat the inane insults , blah blah blah. Never any substance w/ you folks, but plenty of vitriol. Bravo!

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:05 AM

CHRISISALL


But can you site anything good that Bush has done (That isn't good for just big corporations, I mean)?


Chrisisall?

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
But can you site anything good that Bush has done (That isn't good for just big corporations, I mean)?


Chrisisall?



Well, there's no reason you can't accept the tax cuts as being good for everybody. The high tide raises all boats, big and small. That's the benefit of a strong economy, which are the result in large part to tax cuts.

I'd add Justies Roberts and Alito. Both extremely well qualified.

Also, some Fed Appeals Court appointees. I see those as being very good, but understand that time will tell.

Appointing Condoleeza Rice as the first black female Sec. of State. That's very good.

Killing the Kyoto Treaty. I'm very glad he did that, and see it as all good.






People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:42 AM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'd ask you to give examples, but you won't.



heres some substance: why any president past, present, or future would say this is beyond me.


Bush:
"You know, I've experienced many great moments, and it's hard to name the best," Bush told weekly Bild am Sonntag when asked about his high point since becoming president in January 2001.

"I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5-pound perch in my lake," he told the newspaper in an interview published Sunday. Bush said the worst moment was Sept. 11, 2001, when hijacked planes crashed into the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington.

It was mentioned that the lake was manmade and stocked.. rich boy achievements.. woo hoo!

and yes, I fully understand Kerry is a rich boy too... I am not going to defend him... for IQ or Morals... people need to stop that... but lets talk here and now... something WE CAN CHANGE

AUR.. u serious? Man can't do anything about global warming. Certain cities have Flexfuel pumps and they are spreading (only one city in my state, working to change that) Is this just a hobby? NO. People realize that we don't have to use fossil fuels.

OK. the war, I here a lot "we gonna get them before they get us." Understood... I know that area is volatile and why? two main reasons in my mind. Religous conflict that has been going on for centuries and the battle for power... face it power comes from money and fear... but mostly money to pay people to scare people.. where are they getting the money from? long before I was on the planet they were getting rich off of oil. So, if all the oil nations were peaceful, would we still say hey lets make them rich for a fuel we have a clean alternative too. Some, rich boys sure think so….

***NO ONE confuse this, with a war about Oil! It is not about that now... bad people are in power... just talkin root causes here and the US needs their roots badly***

Don't wait til the gas is 6 bucks a gallon to take to the streets.

So, while God is telling Bush to fight a crusade:
we are burning up,
having civil liberties taken away,
afraid to be sick,
scared of hurricanes,
encroached by borders,
placing burdens on our children,
etc.

I am sorry when our gov't breaks OUR laws I get pissst.

Pick one and i'll give examples...
Go ahead, fire back… I am of course wearing full body armor, I am not a moron.

Why you think "Earth got used up"

Disclaimer: Geez, I live on the coast and my college mascot is a pirate so I use the pirate image, I am in no way affiliated with PN.



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Saturday, May 13, 2006 6:51 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Have you thought about picking up a hobby, something non internet related ?

I've got several, socialising with friends (if you haven't worked out what friends are by now I'm not going to explain it too you), Martial Arts, Rock climbing, Sailing, I play the guitar, keep animals the list goes on. About the only thing I don't do is waste away on my couch drinking beer after beer while watching trashy cable TV .

I only post on a couple of forums; actually this is the main one. I realise you split your time pretty radically between all those Neo-Nazi and minority hate group websites .

Ever thought of getting a hobby yourself? Something not related to making a tit of yourself?
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Doesn't even take a reply to me or a reply to what someone else said ABOUT me, you still are compelled to post something.
I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp, but it was a reply to both something you said and a reply someone made to you, wasn't it .

I mean hell, we have to point everything out to you don't we.
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Never any substance w/ you folks, but plenty of vitriol. Bravo!
You should see a psychiatrist; your mind must be a fascinating place, in a barren desert filled with little more than tumbleweed kind of a way...

It’s simply amazing how you so consistently manage to accuse others of being, well you.

Now back to following what you’re told by Fox news while you waste your life away watching TV drinking your liver into Cirrhosis…

Wouldn’t want to interrupt your daily routine now would I .




More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:32 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
But can you site anything good that Bush has done (That isn't good for just big corporations, I mean)?


Chrisisall?



Well, there's no reason you can't accept the tax cuts as being good for everybody. The high tide raises all boats, big and small. That's the benefit of a strong economy, which are the result in large part to tax cuts.

I'd add Justies Roberts and Alito. Both extremely well qualified.

Also, some Fed Appeals Court appointees. I see those as being very good, but understand that time will tell.

Appointing Condoleeza Rice as the first black female Sec. of State. That's very good.

Killing the Kyoto Treaty. I'm very glad he did that, and see it as all good.


Some of this is good, okay, but nothing here anybody else could not have done half awake. No hard or astounding work here. And balanced against the bad and/or questionable aspects, it's pretty weak, I'm afraid.

Wake up, my friend, this is a case where the minority is thrilled with a loser.

Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:34 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I was replyinng to signym's post:

Quote:

I'm angry at Auraptor, who is right there with the prez in terms of neurons and morality. (few and none respectively). It's like I say....


And I replied w/ a request of him showing where MY morals were on display. He doesn't even know anything about me, and he's making value judgements based on speculation.

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:47 AM

EMMARIGBY





Chrisisall?




Killing the Kyoto Treaty. I'm very glad he did that, and see it as all good.




WHAT!!!!! I'm sorry, I don't normally get involved in the Politics threads (not because I don't have opinions but because I'm not a big fan of arguements), but I just had to comment on this.

Are you really serious that you think it is a good thing that Bush refuses to own up to the large part America is playing in the destruction of the planet or do anything about solving it?

Maybe you were anti the Kyoto Principle because it didn't go far enough. This is certainly tru, as even if it was implemented the first time it was proposed it would only go about a quarter of the way to stemming the flood of damage caused by carbon emissions. Still, I have to tell you that America's refusal to have anything to do with trying to fix this problem has caused a lot of bad feeling.

I was in a pub the other day (in th UK) and someone raised this topic and out of the 20 or so people there there was universal condemnation of the US for their arrogant selfishness on this issue. In fact there got to be such an uncomfortable atmosphere of hatred of America that I had to point out that all the Americans I have personally met are decent and concientious people who disagree with the outrageous politics of their country. One day I hope to see that the most powerful county in the world will actually start to reflect the morals of some of its inhabitants (actually any morals at all would be good!).

Anyway, I'm probably inviting a lot of people to start shouting at me now so I'm running away to do some work!!

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:53 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Some of this is good, okay, but nothing here anybody else could not have done half awake. No hard or astounding work here.


I was asked to give examples, and I gave examples. Getting tax cuts passed does take an act of Congress, literally! ( FYI, the phrase, " it takes an act of congress to get this done " is sometimes used here to refer to something which won't get done unless a tremendous amount of time/effort is put into said task. Essentially, saying that means it won't get done at all, or that if it is, it'll be so screwed up by completion that it truly will have been a waste of time.

Much of what goes on in Washington D.C. does defy logic. The 'inside the beltway' mindset becomes distorted and disconnected w/ the rest of the nation. You say it doesn't take much to got done what Bush accomplished. And normally, that SHOULD be the case, and yet no one DID do it until he got there. Thanks to the bureaucracy. of D.C., what most folks agree 'should' be done never sees the light of day. And much which never should occur happens on a daily basis ( eg) Patrick Kennedy sideswiping a police car, smashing into a concrete barrier, staggering out of the car and NOT getting charged w/ a DUI. Even AFTER he claimed he had no memory of those events! Anyone else does the same thing, they're in jail But a KENNEDY does it....the police drive him home, tuck him in bed and calls the tow service to take his wrecked car away.

And yes, Patrick Kennedy is a Democrat, from Rhode Island, and son of Senator TED Kennedy.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:01 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I was in a pub the other day (in th UK) and someone raised this topic and out of the 20 or so people there there was universal condemnation of the US for their arrogant selfishness on this issue. In fact there got to be such an uncomfortable atmosphere of hatred of America that I had to point out that all the Americans I have personally met are decent and concientious people who disagree with the outrageous politics of their country. One day I hope to see that the most powerful county in the world will actually start to reflect the morals of some of its inhabitants (actually any morals at all would be good!).


I'd suggest you drink at another pub. Folks there are clearly uninformed. The US isn't in the least bit 'arrogant or selfish' on this issue. There's a great deal of demagoguing going on here, and fanning the flames of discontent. The Kyoto treaty wouldn't remotely come close to it's objective. It's primary accomplishment would be to punish the USA economically while turning a blind eye to other nations which pollute w/ out any recourse.

Cheers

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:03 AM

CHRISISALL


Patrick Kenedy or Dick Cheney, it don't make a difference. They do what they want, get away with it, and we watch. We can call them on it, or make excuses for them, as our own comfort demands; these boys are above the law.

Uneasy with the idea that we are 'little people'?
Is that why you must allign yourself with the power?

They care nothing for us.

Watch Serenity Chrisisall

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:08 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by EmmaRigby:



Chrisisall?




Killing the Kyoto Treaty. I'm very glad he did that, and see it as all good.




WHAT!!!!!
Well, I didn't mean this in particular was good...
I don't think anything we do now can stop global warming, however I DO think it's not taken seriously enough, and as such, will be a problem we 'suddenly' become aware of as it's teeth begin to be felt in our collective posterior.

Chrisisall ouch now

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:17 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Some of this is good, okay, but nothing here anybody else could not have done half awake. No hard or astounding work here.


I was asked to give examples, and I gave examples. Getting tax cuts passed does take an act of Congress, literally! ( FYI, the phrase, " it takes an act of congress to get this done " is sometimes used here to refer to something which won't get done unless a tremendous amount of time/effort is put into said task. Essentially, saying that means it won't get done at all, or that if it is, it'll be so screwed up by completion that it truly will have been a waste of time.



I'm sorry AU, but that is BS of the highest order. Under normal curcumstances, you would be correct, but those are tax breaks, for Christ's sake! They make congress look good, and whatever makes congress look good, congress will do. The only effort it took was having someone write up the proposal, and then signing the act.

As for whether tax cuts were good, I think they were a monumental mistake. Not only does it clearly favor the rich, it only digs us deeper into our nation's economic grave. With the national debt now over 9 TRILLION DOLLARS, how does reducing government income help pay it off? Plus, while the average Joe might get $500 extra, welthy people end up with enough to buy some more real estate, or invest more, or do whatever the hell it is that rich folks do to make themselves richer.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:18 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:



* AURaptor posted: Never any substance w/ you folks, but plenty of vitriol. Bravo!

You should see a psychiatrist; your mind must be a fascinating place, in a barren desert filled with little more than tumbleweed kind of a way...

It’s simply amazing how you so consistently manage to accuse others of being, well you.

Now back to following what you’re told by Fox news while you waste your life away watching TV drinking your liver into Cirrhosis…



No vitriol? Here's your reply to ONE post -

Suggesting I drink beer on the couch while watching (fox news/trashy cable t.v.) as a daily routine.

You claim I frequent neo nazi/ minority hate group sites.

You suggest I should see a psychatrist

Now, the facts : I rarely even WATCH t.v. , but when I do, its generally sports, the Sci Fi channel, History Channel, or something along those lines. Hardly anything 'trashy'. One need not watch cable news for more than 10 minutes, because all they do is just repeat the same stuff over and over. CNN, FOX, it doesn't matter. The Weather Channel has more impact on my life than does FOX NEWS.

Neo Nazi sites? I might have been to one, just to see how disturbed and sad those folks are. But leave it to you to take the broad swipe and accuse me of being racists. It's all you've got.

Funny how YOU describe me as how YOU really are. Maybe that's your own psych's speak coming out in you again. How long has it been since your last session?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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As for whether tax cuts were good, I think they were a monumental mistake. Not only does it clearly favor the rich, it only digs us deeper into our nation's economic grave. With the national debt now over 9 TRILLION DOLLARS, how does reducing government income help pay it off? Plus, while the average Joe might get $500 extra, welthy people end up with enough to buy some more real estate, or invest more, or do whatever the hell it is that rich folks do to make themselves richer.


They favor the 'rich' because the 'rich' were paying far too much in taxes in the 1st place. If you're going to CUT taxes, you can't cut taxes on folks who aren't paying taxes in the 1st place! Fact 2, is that the US has INCREASED its revenue that it receive from all taxes. How's that again? Yep. Tax cuts actually stimulated the economy and INCREASED the amount of $$ raised by the Gov't via taxes. It's not the tax cuts that are the cause of the deficit, but the excessive spending. Thank Bush FOR the tax cuts, or we'd be in a worse situation . ( Granted, a situating he helped create w/ his expansion of the Fed Gov't. But ALL of Congress share the blame there, not just W. )

Yes, the rich continue to do what has gotten them rich in the first place. They always will. That's called Freedom.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Patrick Kenedy or Dick Cheney, it don't make a difference. They do what they want, get away with it, and we watch. We can call them on it, or make excuses for them, as our own comfort demands; these boys are above the law.

Uneasy with the idea that we are 'little people'?
Is that why you must allign yourself with the power?

They care nothing for us.

Watch Serenity Chrisisall



Certainly you aren't comparing what P.Kennedy did to what happened w/ Dick Cheney, are you?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:28 AM

EMMARIGBY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I was in a pub the other day (in th UK) and someone raised this topic and out of the 20 or so people there there was universal condemnation of the US for their arrogant selfishness on this issue. In fact there got to be such an uncomfortable atmosphere of hatred of America that I had to point out that all the Americans I have personally met are decent and concientious people who disagree with the outrageous politics of their country. One day I hope to see that the most powerful county in the world will actually start to reflect the morals of some of its inhabitants (actually any morals at all would be good!).



I'd suggest you drink at another pub. Folks there are clearly uninformed. The US isn't in the least bit 'arrogant or selfish' on this issue. There's a great deal of demagoguing going on here, and fanning the flames of discontent. The Kyoto treaty wouldn't remotely come close to it's objective. It's primary accomplishment would be to punish the USA economically while turning a blind eye to other nations which pollute w/ out any recourse.

Cheers



Actually, I'd prefer to keep talking (and drinking) with people who are willing to address the problems of the world and what we can do about them!

Yes, as I said, the Kyoto Protocol has some problems. I personally agree that developing nations should not be totally exempt (although saying they cannot industrialise at all does seem a little condescending!). However I do feel quite strongly that it is at least a start to addressing this problem and the American administration's refusal to ratify does feel very arrogant and selfish to me.

So far, the US, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, has been unwilling to even debate a CO2 threshold. Their CO2 emmisions continue to rise.

President Bush's chief climate adviser, James Connaughton, has said he doesn't believe anyone can forecast a safe level (ignoring all the scientific research that has predicted safe levels and absolutely proven that the current levels will be disastrous) and cutting greenhouse gas emissions could harm the world economy.

Well, pardon me for thinking that the richest nation on the planet could perhaps afford to put some economic restrictions on some big businesses if it helped to possibly save the world! We have started to in the UK, it's called Carbon Trading and people can be penalised for polluting above the acceptable limit.

This is something that I feel quite strongly about, that the good of the dollar seems to have been put above that of the planet. I feel that not just the US but the whole western world seems to be becoming more of a Corporate State. Big business rule and control everything. Hmm, bit like Blue Sun, heh? Joss paints an all too believable picture of the future!

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'd suggest you drink at another pub. Folks there are clearly uninformed. The US isn't in the least bit 'arrogant or selfish' on this issue... The Kyoto treaty wouldn't remotely come close to it's objective. It's primary accomplishment would be to punish the USA economically while turning a blind eye to other nations which pollute w/ out any recourse.

Cheers

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "



I'm going to have to disagree with you again here, AU. Did you ever consider that to fix what we (primarily) have done, that we might have to make sacrifices for the sake of our children and grandchildren? Apparently not (that is where the "arrogant and selfish" part comes in).

As for turning a blind eye to other nations, did you ever think that maybe that was because they are really, really low on the priority list for emitions? Even Chna, rapidly industrializing without much concern for environmental consequences, doesn't put off nearly as much pollution as the US. The last I heard, there was something like 14-15 million cars on the road in China. Compare that to the US's 180 million, and you see my point.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:33 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:

Well, pardon me for thinking that the richest nation on the planet could perhaps afford to put some economic restrictions on some big businesses if it helped to possibly save the world!


I don't buy into the hysteria. You do. This 'saving the world ' business really does pull at one's heart strings, but it's a bunch of hooey,imo.

( And I happen to be looking at the planet from the view point of millions of yrs, not a 50-100 yr snap shot )


Cheers.


People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by EmmaRigby:

So far, the US, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, has been unwilling to even debate a CO2 threshold. Their CO2 emmisions continue to rise.



That's because the US government is owned by the highest bidder. Right now, that happens to be folks who profit from maintaining the current system.


You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

( And I happen to be looking at the planet from the view point of millions of yrs, not a 50-100 yr snap shot )



Maybe you should pay a little more attention to that snapshot. Throughout the Earth's history, the climate does shift. The average temperature will rise and fall by about 1 degree celsius in a century. In the last 100 years, the average temp. rose by 7 degrees celsius. That right there should tell you that something is wrong. The fact that the exponential growth of the problem coincides with the exponential growth of industrial pollution should be some clue as to the cause.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by EmmaRigby:

This is something that I feel quite strongly about, that the good of the dollar seems to have been put above that of the planet. I feel that not just the US but the whole western world seems to be becoming more of a Corporate State. Big business rule and control everything. Hmm, bit like Blue Sun, heh? Joss paints an all too believable picture of the future!

I totally concur, EmmaRigby.

Chrisisall

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