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The 12th Planet/Nibiru/ Zacharia Stitchen/ End Time/ The Gods of Eden & the Mayan Calender/Alternative Belifes

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Friday, April 7, 2006 8:42 PM

PIRATEJENNY


I know there have been many discussions about religion in this forum, but what about people who hold alternative belifes. I happen to think more along the lines of Zecharia Stitchen , is anyone here familar with Zecharia Stitchen or is a fan of his work? Mind you its not religion and I don't consider myself a religious person at all.

I think he's right that we were partly created by the anunnakki, and alien race who live far out on the edge of our solar system on a planet that the summarians called Nibiru. Nibiru according to Zecharia Stitchen and ancient summarian text passes close to earth every 3600 years, and because of its gravitational pull causes alot of havoc, such as natural disasters, earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, it was Niburi that was supposedly respossible for the flood thats talked about in the Hebrew bible and other ancient text of diffrent cultures around the world.

According to Zecharia Stitchen and Summarian text, the annunnakki, came here to get gold they needed to help stop the degradation of their atomsphere on there planet when it was furthest away from the sun, they had settlements in the eridu, which is what we now call Iraq, the cradle of civilization, most of the Gold mines was in the Abzu much later another settlement rose up there/ Egypt(I'm leaving out tons of stuff so if your not already familar with his works and want to know more read his books) anyway the work was very hard and the conditions for the annunnakki was so bad they stopped working, and that is when one of the top leaders who was the son of the ruler on Niburi called Enki decided to create a worker to ease the toil of the Annunnakki,( basically we were created as a slave race) by mixing some of their D.N.A with the simular hominods that was already running around earth, basically they genetically engineered the human race, the summarians in ancient text say that when the 1rst workers were created they could not reproduce, the anunnakki made them this way becaue of moral reason, but Enki down the line decided to make man were he could reproduce, this caused a whole host of problems with his brother who was in charge called enlil, for moral reasons, ( this would also explain the missing link)..anyway Zecharia stitchen got all of his information from ancient summarian text and other religious text such as the Hebrew bible which is just a condensed version of other older text, actually many of the stories from the Hebrew bible orginate from much older sources such as the summarians, only the Hebrew bible is very consensed and distorted and uses lots of symbolism such as the tree of life etc..but in Summarian text they actually tell you what the tree of life is and isn't a tree at all. They expalin things and go into detail.

for example the snake in the bible is Lucifer or the tempter, but really in summarian text Enki's symbol was the snake, and also the symbol for D.N.A which was known in those times, and also the symbol of healing and belonged to his cult, diffrent Annunakki had cult centers or cities where they were honored, the real story of Adam and Eve doesn't really have to do with two people at all, but has to do with Enki's genetically engineering man with their d.N.A giving man the ablity to reproduce and wanting to teach mankind higher spirtual knowlege, Enlil and many of the other Anunnakki was against this, Enki didn't get what he wanted knowlege was barred from humans..( isn't it apparent)they have symbolized this in the bible when they talk about this when it was that Adam an eve was kicked out of the Garden of eden and had to toil the rest of their days, that swords would bar the gates.

Some other things I thought I would mention thats very interesting, Hell or the underworld was never some place with fire burning and people roasting the christians made that up..Hell is literally a place on earth its the abzu, the goldmines in Africa where the anunnakki and we meaning human beings had to mine for Gold, and Heaven is the diffrent planets and solar systems, but its not a place where people go after they die, thats something diffrent altogether, the 12th heaven where the Anunnakki live is Niburi.

needless to say the anunnakki, and the cult centers built around them, are the diffrent Gods that many diffrent peoples and cultures talk about.


If anyone else is along this same line of thinking there is also another book called the Gods of Eden by a man name William Bramley, his works is based off Zecharia Stitchens works as is many authors its very interesting.

well the reason why I bring all of this up is because some people think that Nibiru the 12th Planet in our solar system also known as planet X is going to be here in 2012, the Mayan Callender also says that something is going to happen in 2012, and we all know the extreme christians is waiting for the end of days, which isn't really an end of days, but I digress

Zeharia Stitchen via the Summarian ancient text also talks about how our solar system was 1rst formed and how plant earth came to be, there was a plant called Tia Mat a very large watery planet and I can't remember if it had one or two satelites, but I know one of them was called Kingu, Nibiru and Tia Mat collided, btw Nibiru is a very large planet, part of Tia Mat broke off and took one of its Satelites with it, the part of Tia Mat that broke off later formed what is now our planet earth, and Kingu is our moon, the other part of Tia mat became the asteroid belt

google up Nibiru or Planet X or Zecharia Stitchen and you'll find plenty or better yet read the books.

anyway if anyone wants to discuss the coming of Nibiru / the Mayan callender or anything related, I'm interested

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/kuiper-01d.html
http://www.planetxvideo.com/observation.php

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1999/feb/m25-008.shtml
http://www.geocities.com/elchasqui_2/index1.html

http://xfacts.com/x2.htm









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Saturday, April 8, 2006 2:49 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I think he's right that we were partly created by the anunnakki, and alien race who live far out on the edge of our solar system on a planet that the summarians called Nibiru.


I don't think this is a religion. I'm pretty sure it was an episode of Doctor Who from the '70s. Tom Baker I think. Didn't this one have to do with the Cybermen?

H

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Saturday, April 8, 2006 8:41 PM

PIRATEJENNY


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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I think he's right that we were partly created by the anunnakki, and alien race who live far out on the edge of our solar system on a planet that the summarians called Nibiru.


I don't think this is a religion. I'm pretty sure it was an episode of Doctor Who from the '70s. Tom Baker I think. Didn't this one have to do with the Cybermen?

H




No its not a religion, I think I stated that!! I'm not religious after all so what was your point in posting in this thread Zero!!

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Saturday, April 8, 2006 9:30 PM

FLETCH2


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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I think he's right that we were partly created by the anunnakki, and alien race who live far out on the edge of our solar system on a planet that the summarians called Nibiru.


I don't think this is a religion. I'm pretty sure it was an episode of Doctor Who from the '70s. Tom Baker I think. Didn't this one have to do with the Cybermen?

H



I believe it may have been Mondas from "The Tenth planet." I think that was a Jon Pertwee episode.

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Saturday, April 8, 2006 10:06 PM

ROCKETJOCK


William Hartnell, actually.

As for the *ahem* non-religion *ahem* described, the science is horrible. Just as a start, if this mysterious planet were so far out from the sun as to take 3,600 years for one orbit, its gravitational effect on the Earth would be too miniscule to measure; there's no way it could set off natural disasters.

It sounds like bad science fiction from the pulp era. Try googling "The Shaver Mystery" sometime if you like this sort of weirdness. Or any scientology literature.

Me, I'm gonna slip in my DVD copy of "Evil Brain from Outer Space" and veg out. Later.

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Sunday, April 9, 2006 10:42 AM

AURAPTOR

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Why should we fret over one kooks fear of the End Times ? We've already been through this song/dance w/ the fundies y2k fiasco scare.

*yawn*

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Sunday, April 9, 2006 11:24 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Also I think "Hominods" are a kind of biscuit so not much chance of them being DNA compatable with humans.

It would make a good film though.

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Sunday, April 9, 2006 11:36 AM

CHRISISALL


All my hopes, PJ, for a serious reply from someone, your thread seems to have called out the Goof Detail.

Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 9, 2006 11:40 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Your just sore cos you did'nt think of the biscuit joke.

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Sunday, April 9, 2006 12:30 PM

CITIZEN


How did the ancient Sumerians know about DNA?



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Sunday, April 9, 2006 1:02 PM

RUE

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Personally, I'll be happy to wait till 2012 (assuming I'm still around) to see what happens. But this is what I think:

It's circular confirming Sumerian myth w/ bibilical references b/c the bible incorporated Sumerian myth.

I googled planet X, but I restricted my sites to .gov and .edu. If there is a conspiracy to cover it up it is an effective one. Planets' orbits are precisely calculated w/out using some unknown mass out there as a fudge factor. As to how was the solar system formed, it is all hypothetical.

I have issues with the timelines. Either the planet developed an advanced civilization a hundred million years ago in order to direct human evolution (was there enough time for that to happen?) or it happened at most two hundred thousand years ago (in which case the orbits would still be oscillating like a bell from the cataclysm).

I also have a problem with the science. Humans and chimps share 99% + genes. The major differences are not new and different genes in humans, but which genes get activated when. There is a tight genetic link between humans and chimps, so much so that humans have been called 'the third chimpanzee'. There is solid biochemical evidence for the nature of human differences from chimps (semi-aquatic). And there is a long, long line of many branches of proto-humans going back 5M years indicating evolution in that direction. So either the genetic engineering took place millions of years ago (far too long to have survived into Sumerian myth which goes back at most a few thousand years), or a mere few thousand years ago, in which case we'd see the planetary perturbations.

In either case, I'm happy to wait and see on this one.



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Sunday, April 9, 2006 4:28 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by citizen:
How did the ancient Sumerians know about DNA?

They looked it up on the Cuneiform Internet.
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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Also I think "Hominods" are a kind of biscuit so not much chance of them being DNA compatable with humans.

Personally, I think we evolved from biscuits.




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Sunday, April 9, 2006 8:52 PM

LITTLEALBATROSS


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well the reason why I bring all of this up is because some people think that Nibiru the 12th Planet in our solar system also known as planet X is going to be here in 2012


What does that mean? Is the planet going to come to Earth? Cross orbits? I'm a bit confused by the wording.

Also - is the planet X in this theory the same one that was discovered beyond Pluto (although both could be more accurately referred to as planetoids)? Or is it a new one that will be discovered in 2012?

Ok. I was serious. Can I make a joke about L. Ron Hubbard now?


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Monday, April 10, 2006 9:47 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Hero:
Didn't this one have to do with the Cybermen?



HA! I was right. Tom Baker, 1st Season, with Sarah Jane. "Revenge of the Cybermen".

PJ is talking about Voga, the Planet of Gold or Mondas, the legendary home planet of the Cybermen.

Well, that makes much more sense now.

H

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Monday, April 10, 2006 4:48 PM

HKCAVALIER


Heya, PirateJenny,

Sorry you get all this derision when you show the simple courage to post some of your thoughts. Judging other people is something we do because we ourselves have been judged in the same way. All these folks who think your beliefs are frivolous or foolish or not even worth addressing in favor of cheap pop culture references, have themselves been judged as frivolous or foolish or not even worth addressing to the point where they don't even remember ever being so judged--it's no longer some parent's malicious opinion of them, now it's just the "way things are." They've internalized this stuff until now they simply and mechanically continue the cycle of ridicule, because it's "necessary" or because it's "the truth."

Very little has been said in the last 13 posts (Hi, Chrisisall!), but the same boring insult gets repeated over and over again. Pardon the blatant psychologizing, but I'm sick of this kind of knee-jerk malicious crap.

I'm very currious what about this material really sparks your imagination. Y'know, what in particular about this information rings true for you? When did it come together for you? Had you been thinking along similar lines before you got ahold of Zecharia Stitchen, or did the whole thing come as a surprise when you picked up his book?

My own research into this kind of material has lead me to be very skeptical of the details of the situation with the Annunaki and their ilk. Seriously, if history is written by the victors, what kind of history are you gonna get out of galactic overlords? So the part about humans being genetically engineered by these "gods" strikes me as delusions of grandeur. Like all exploiter cultures, they're not gonna do anything to us that they don't absolutely have to in order to get their way. Mind control's a lot cheaper.

HKCavalier

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Monday, April 10, 2006 9:42 PM

CITIZEN


All I did is ask how the Ancient Summarians knew about DNA.



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Monday, April 10, 2006 10:37 PM

FREERADICAL42


Eh, for some reason the entire scientific establishment disagrees with this. That's probably why people are attracted to it.

But pseudoscience and pseudotheology are still one and the same thing. I can say whatever I want, and it's still unconfirmable and therefore not really worth talking to other people about, you're just going to get backlash.

I could go through a whole bunch of reasons as to why there are errors with what you said in your post, but honestly you don't want me to do that and I don't want to do that to you.

If, by some chance, you do, just let me know.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:58 AM

RUE

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I addressed it seriously w/out derision. I just don't think it's true. But asking about what rings true - I see I missed an opportunity to learn and share.


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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:42 AM

REAVERMAN


I'll believe it when I see it. I've already wasted enough of my life believing in "God". Bring me solid evidence that any of the alternative religions are true, and I might be inclined to believe.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:06 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS


I was being serious. Maybe my reading comprehension skills are shot (which is a possibility) but I don't understand how planet X will arrive here. And I was legitimately asking for an explanation because I am curious and don't have time to do research on it at the moment.

The joke at the end was just a joke about the jokes - I don't know how anyone could start a thread on this sort of subject matter and not expect them.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:09 PM

RKLENSETH


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
How did the ancient Sumerians know about DNA?



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Well, I would just point that ancient people were far more advanced than what most common people think. The ancients were quite advanced in their thinking and technology much of it lost to time with only pieces for us to put together. It wouldn't surprise me if some ancient civilization did know about DNA or had an idea though right now their isn't any evidence that I know of that such a thing was known but remember most of ancient knowledge was lost with the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria and the fall of the Roman Empire. It took us hundreds to thousands of year to just rediscover how to make simple things like glass and concrete that ancient civilization knew how to create.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:23 PM

RKLENSETH


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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross:
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well the reason why I bring all of this up is because some people think that Nibiru the 12th Planet in our solar system also known as planet X is going to be here in 2012


What does that mean? Is the planet going to come to Earth? Cross orbits? I'm a bit confused by the wording.

Also - is the planet X in this theory the same one that was discovered beyond Pluto (although both could be more accurately referred to as planetoids)? Or is it a new one that will be discovered in 2012?

Ok. I was serious. Can I make a joke about L. Ron Hubbard now?




Planet X, according to myth, is a planet that exists on the other side of the sun and is out of our site most of the time because the sun blocks it out. The myth goes on to say that every 3,600 years, the planet comes into view and creates great enviromental disasters on Earth. This comes from ancient Mediterranean myth. It was commonly used to explain why some times natural disasters seem to be getting worse and more frequent (sort of how it is happening today). It is unsure where this actual myth began but many people give the Sumerians credit for it.

Another legend is that Planet X is actually a comet and not a planet and as already dismissed in a previous post, wouldn't be possible since it's mass wouldn't be great enough to affect any weather patterns on Earth.

If we are going to talk about the end of times, I think there is more evidence in worrying about Yellowstone's Super Volcano erupting and wiping out life on the North American continent and putting the rest of the world into a major ice age than this Planet X scenario.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:33 PM

LITTLEALBATROSS


Quote:

Originally posted by rklenseth:
Planet X, according to myth, is a planet that exists on the other side of the sun and is out of our site most of the time because the sun blocks it out. The myth goes on to say that every 3,600 years, the planet comes into view and creates great enviromental disasters on Earth. This comes from ancient Mediterranean myth. It was commonly used to explain why some times natural disasters seem to be getting worse and more frequent (sort of how it is happening today). It is unsure where this actual myth began but many people give the Sumerians credit for it.

Another legend is that Planet X is actually a comet and not a planet and as already dismissed in a previous post, wouldn't be possible since it's mass wouldn't be great enough to affect any weather patterns on Earth.

If we are going to talk about the end of times, I think there is more evidence in worrying about Yellowstone's Super Volcano erupting and wiping out life on the North American continent and putting the rest of the world into a major ice age than this Planet X scenario.



Ah, I see. The planet X's (planets X?) are not the same. Thank you for the explanation.

Although to remain on the other side of the sun and not be visible to Earth at any time, wouldn't planet X need to be on the same orbit?

Regarding end of time scenarios, I hadn't heard about the Super Volcano, but that does seem more plausible than the arrival of planet X.

Personally, I'm kind of worried about the rate of glacial melt. Whether it's the result of global warming or not - there seems to be something happening. And the possible scenarios drawn up for the next 20 years don't look promising.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:03 PM

REAVERMAN


I definitely agree with rklenseth that the Yellowstone Supervolcano is a more immediate threat, it has been proven to exist(unlike this planetX).

As for Planet X, the myth is really just bad science. Any planet that takes 3600 years to go around the sun would be spotted easily by astronomers. It would be visible from Earth for around one half to two thirds of the year because of the slow speed of its revolutions.

Also, any planet that sped through the systemclose enough to Earth to cause problems would have to cross the orbits of five planets (eight if you count Pluto and the two new planetoids they have discovered beyond Pluto; and before anyone says anything, no those two new planetoids have nothing to do with PlanetX. they have fairly stable orbits and dont take anywhere near 3600 years to travel around the sun). If it has been doing this cosmic lane changing since the birth of the solar system, statistically, it would be damn near impossible for it to not have either hit one of the other planets, or been caught by the gravity of, say, Jupiter, and made into a moon, thrown off course, or simply torn apart. Plus, if it took 3600 years, its orbit would be extremely long and very thin. Plnets cant turn on a dime. If it went so far out that it would take that many years to get back, it's gone. It ain't comin' back from that, because the sun's gravity is next to nothing out there. It would just keep drifting and drifting...

Simply put, your Planet X doesnt exist. It is a scientific impossibility.

If your worried about natural disaster, worry about Yellowstone or glacial melt. Those are real problems

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:03 PM

RKLENSETH


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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross:
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Originally posted by rklenseth:
Planet X, according to myth, is a planet that exists on the other side of the sun and is out of our site most of the time because the sun blocks it out. The myth goes on to say that every 3,600 years, the planet comes into view and creates great enviromental disasters on Earth. This comes from ancient Mediterranean myth. It was commonly used to explain why some times natural disasters seem to be getting worse and more frequent (sort of how it is happening today). It is unsure where this actual myth began but many people give the Sumerians credit for it.

Another legend is that Planet X is actually a comet and not a planet and as already dismissed in a previous post, wouldn't be possible since it's mass wouldn't be great enough to affect any weather patterns on Earth.

If we are going to talk about the end of times, I think there is more evidence in worrying about Yellowstone's Super Volcano erupting and wiping out life on the North American continent and putting the rest of the world into a major ice age than this Planet X scenario.



Ah, I see. The planet X's (planets X?) are not the same. Thank you for the explanation.

Although to remain on the other side of the sun and not be visible to Earth at any time, wouldn't planet X need to be on the same orbit?

Regarding end of time scenarios, I hadn't heard about the Super Volcano, but that does seem more plausible than the arrival of planet X.

Personally, I'm kind of worried about the rate of glacial melt. Whether it's the result of global warming or not - there seems to be something happening. And the possible scenarios drawn up for the next 20 years don't look promising.

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There is a lot more involved then my small explanation so if you're really interested you can easily do a google and search and find a lot of info on it.

Some believe that Planet X isn't the actual cause of the events but just a sign of what is to come. Some believe that it could simply be a comet and a lot of ancient and even modern day belief that comets are a sign of evil. Some believe that the new planets discovered past Pluto are the sign.

A lot of end of times beliefs center around this Planet X and what it is. But anyways, you're going to see a lot more of these kinds of things up until 2012 (which is when the Mayan calender ends) because currently a lot of groups believe that will be the date the world will end. Some even believe that it has already begun here in 2006. A Jewish rabbi (the one that supposedly predicted the Asian tsunami before it happend six months before it did) recently warned that 2006 will begin the end of times and that things will begin to go downhill from here real fast. Some would look at the all the weird weather patterns and the escalating tensions with Iran (the possibility of nuclear war) as signs that this is beginning. A spiritual leader in Native American culture recently warned that there would be major hurricanes, earthquakes, and tornadoes hitting the US in 2006 and also claimed a tsumani would wipe out Los Angeles and that a comet would hit Earth by the end of 2006.

But you have to take all of this with a grain of salt. Could it be true? That is for you to decide. If it is what the hell does it matter because then we are all most likely screwed anyways.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:44 PM

CITIZEN


You mean like the ancients had batteries and all that sort of stuff.

Though it didn't take us thousands of years to rediscover Concrete or Glass (a few hundred) the first Battery was discovered in an archaeological dig near Baghdad and is roughly 2000 years old though and wasn't reinvented until 1799.

However how do we know that the Sumerians used the Snake to represent DNA? If it's a guess based on the shape of the Snake being similar to the double helix (I'm not sure what symbol is being discussed so I don't know) then the theory isn't up to much. We found out that DNA was a double helix structure using X-Ray diffraction in the 1940's and it stretches the imagination beyond breaking point to believe the ancient Sumerians had X-Ray machines at all, let alone ones that are sensitive enough for that purpose.

DNA was discovered in 1868 while a Swiss Biologist was conducting experiments on Cells. As far as I know there's no evidence to suggest that the Sumerians had the facilities or chemicals to do the required tests, nor even knew of the existence of Cells, let alone DNA.




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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:07 PM

LITTLEALBATROSS


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Originally posted by rklenseth:
There is a lot more involved then my small explanation so if you're really interested you can easily do a google and search and find a lot of info on it.



I will. Just don't have time at the moment (since I know I'll just keep reading and I'm supposed to be writing a paper.)

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Some believe that Planet X isn't the actual cause of the events but just a sign of what is to come. Some believe that it could simply be a comet and a lot of ancient and even modern day belief that comets are a sign of evil. Some believe that the new planets discovered past Pluto are the sign.

A lot of end of times beliefs center around this Planet X and what it is. But anyways, you're going to see a lot more of these kinds of things up until 2012 (which is when the Mayan calender ends) because currently a lot of groups believe that will be the date the world will end. Some even believe that it has already begun here in 2006. A Jewish rabbi (the one that supposedly predicted the Asian tsunami before it happend six months before it did) recently warned that 2006 will begin the end of times and that things will begin to go downhill from here real fast. Some would look at the all the weird weather patterns and the escalating tensions with Iran (the possibility of nuclear war) as signs that this is beginning. A spiritual leader in Native American culture recently warned that there would be major hurricanes, earthquakes, and tornadoes hitting the US in 2006 and also claimed a tsumani would wipe out Los Angeles and that a comet would hit Earth by the end of 2006.



A lot of that stuff could happen too. There have already been several devastating tornadoes. If I remember correctly, a small comet could hit Earth, since most of it would burn up in the atmosphere.

Interestingly - the weather predictions sort of match up to a report issued to the US government that detailed possible climate scenarios over the next 20 years. While the authors noted it was the least likely, it was still a possibility. It included severe weather patterns starting about now (the report was written in 2003), including more flooding.

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But you have to take all of this with a grain of salt. Could it be true? That is for you to decide. If it is what the hell does it matter because then we are all most likely screwed anyways.


That pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject. I don't see the point of worrying over what can't be changed or stopped.

I can't help but wonder, though, how many of these end of days prophecies would exist, with the timeline that they have, if the Mayan calendar had been lost.

I find end of world scenarios interesting but I've kind of become desensitized to them (no one ever tells you how depressing working on a politics degree can be!)


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Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:40 AM

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Originally posted by rklenseth:
A lot of end of times beliefs center around this Planet X and what it is. But anyways, you're going to see a lot more of these kinds of things up until 2012 (which is when the Mayan calender ends) because currently a lot of groups believe that will be the date the world will end. Some even believe that it has already begun here in 2006. A Jewish rabbi (the one that supposedly predicted the Asian tsunami before it happend six months before it did) recently warned that 2006 will begin the end of times and that things will begin to go downhill from here real fast. Some would look at the all the weird weather patterns and the escalating tensions with Iran (the possibility of nuclear war) as signs that this is beginning. A spiritual leader in Native American culture recently warned that there would be major hurricanes, earthquakes, and tornadoes hitting the US in 2006 and also claimed a tsumani would wipe out Los Angeles and that a comet would hit Earth by the end of 2006.

But you have to take all of this with a grain of salt. Could it be true? That is for you to decide. If it is what the hell does it matter because then we are all most likely screwed anyways.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.



First of all, people have been saying "this year is the beginning of the end times!" every year for the last 2,000 years. It hasn't happenned yet.

Secondly, saying that tornados, earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis will batter the U.S. or the world in general is like saying "the sun will come up tomorrow". It is bound to happen, end times or not.

As for specific disasters, like a tsunami wiping out LA and a comet hitting the Earth this year, do you know how many people have been predicting that sort of thing for over a century? Every year has its own End of Days Crazy Wannabe Prophets. So far, extremely few of them have been even close to correct, and statistically, someone has to guess correctly sometime, so predicting something before it happens means nothing except that they made a really lucky guess. This Rabbi and this spiritual leader know nothing more about the future than you or me.

The sky is NOT falling, folks! Don't panic!

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:53 PM

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Originally posted by RocketJock:
William Hartnell, actually.

As for the *ahem* non-religion *ahem* described, the science is horrible. Just as a start, if this mysterious planet were so far out from the sun as to take 3,600 years for one orbit, its gravitational effect on the Earth would be too miniscule to measure; there's no way it could set off natural disasters.

It sounds like bad science fiction from the pulp era. Try googling "The Shaver Mystery" sometime if you like this sort of weirdness. Or any scientology literature.

Me, I'm gonna slip in my DVD copy of "Evil Brain from Outer Space" and veg out. Later.

"They're not bad movies. Just misunderstood." -- Mr. Lobo



It has an eliptical orbit, and comes pretty close to the earth, not bad science at all.

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:55 PM

PIRATEJENNY


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
All my hopes, PJ, for a serious reply from someone, your thread seems to have called out the Goof Detail.

Chrisisall



I know and I was truly hoping for a serious dialogue or at the very least someone who was familar with Stitchen's work, but I guess mostly the narrow minded wanted to post!!

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:38 PM

PIRATEJENNY


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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Heya, PirateJenny,

Sorry you get all this derision when you show the simple courage to post some of your thoughts. Judging other people is something we do because we ourselves have been judged in the same way. All these folks who think your beliefs are frivolous or foolish or not even worth addressing in favor of cheap pop culture references, have themselves been judged as frivolous or foolish or not even worth addressing to the point where they don't even remember ever being so judged--it's no longer some parent's malicious opinion of them, now it's just the "way things are." They've internalized this stuff until now they simply and mechanically continue the cycle of ridicule, because it's "necessary" or because it's "the truth."

Very little has been said in the last 13 posts (Hi, Chrisisall!), but the same boring insult gets repeated over and over again. Pardon the blatant psychologizing, but I'm sick of this kind of knee-jerk malicious crap.

I'm very currious what about this material really sparks your imagination. Y'know, what in particular about this information rings true for you? When did it come together for you? Had you been thinking along similar lines before you got ahold of Zecharia Stitchen, or did the whole thing come as a surprise when you picked up his book?

My own research into this kind of material has lead me to be very skeptical of the details of the situation with the Annunaki and their ilk. Seriously, if history is written by the victors, what kind of history are you gonna get out of galactic overlords? So the part about humans being genetically engineered by these "gods" strikes me as delusions of grandeur. Like all exploiter cultures, they're not gonna do anything to us that they don't absolutely have to in order to get their way. Mind control's a lot cheaper.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.



thanks for asking HKCavalier

I've always been curious about life and about human beings, about where we come from and how we got here, from a very early age as far back as I could remember at least 3 years old, I've always known that this world isn't all there is, I've had alot of diffrent experiences, but as for the religion and stories told it just never added up it never made any sense.

and because religion seems to be a large part of the ills of this world, I think every human being on this planet has a duty to seek out the truth, not just accept something because you've been told to or born into it.

My immediate family was not particularly religious, but the stories that I had always heard growing up, just didn't seem right, Joana and the Whale, Noah's ark, Adam and Eve, Jesus resurection,Heaven and Hell, I wanted answers not stories, I read a book when I was ten called "Gods from Outer space" and "Chariots of the Gods", there is so much whats called forbidden arceology, why was the Gods of the Greeks and Roman and Africans and Indians called myths, and why was the Hebrew Gods and Muslim stories based on fact, that never made any sense to me, surely if one could exist all could exist.

There have been ancient batteries, and models of planes and all kind of other things that don't seem to have a logical explantion that have been found,and then you have the stories the ancient stories themselves such as the summarians that state..and say..that the Gods they worshipped came from a planet , not earth but another planet, why would they lie?

Maybe the Gods do really exist, but not in the way we think they do, if they do exist I don't think they mean well.

actually the book I read before I read Zecharia Stitchen's books was a book called the "Gods of Eden" by William Bramley the thing I loved about that book is it layed out so many things I had already been thinking and feeling and had been reading about, but hadn't put it together or linked together coherantly,. after I read that book everything just clicked and because he had made so many refrences to Zecharia Stitchen I read those books.

It was " The Gods of Eden" that really had the ring of truth in it and that is what led me to Zecharia Stitchen's works

I'm not telling anyone what to believe or what to think, I don't have the answers, but I have to say alot of the things he writes about via ancient summarian text makes sense, at least it makes more sense to me. I personally will never worship at the altar of any being, be it exterrestial or whatever, nor do I have any respect for these beings if they do exist if its true they've caused us misery and pain and have done so on purpose for what intent or purpose I don't know.

I've always said it and I'll keep saying it, unlike some people I don't care what the truth is, I just want to know what it is. Whatever it is.


I've been learning and absorbing knowlege all my life I have an insatible thirst for it, nothing is set in stone my views an thoughts are constantly changing with new discoveries, I like to keep my path wide an open, not narrow. Life is just more interesting that way.

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:41 PM

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I think the problem Jenny is that it's a wee bit too silly for people to grasp. You see planets orbit stars for a reason and that reason is gravity. The further out you go the weaker the gravity holding something in orbit becomes. For something to have an orbit that large it would have to go a very long way out from the sun, so far in fact that there wouldn't be enough of the sun's gravity left at that distance to pull it back into the solar system and the planet would just float away.

That's the nubb of the problem, if the first establishing premise of a theory is scientifically impossible then it stops being a theory and becomes myth. You may find folks willing to discuss this as myth but as a serious descussion.... no.


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Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
I think the problem Jenny is that it's a wee bit too silly for people to grasp. You see planets orbit stars for a reason and that reason is gravity. The further out you go the weaker the gravity holding something in orbit becomes. For something to have an orbit that large it would have to go a very long way out from the sun, so far in fact that there wouldn't be enough of the sun's gravity left at that distance to pull it back into the solar system and the planet would just float away.

That's the nubb of the problem, if the first establishing premise of a theory is scientifically impossible then it stops being a theory and becomes myth. You may find folks willing to discuss this as myth but as a serious descussion.... no.




I have only one question for you , have you read any of Zecharia Stitchen's books?

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:54 PM

FLETCH2


Does he expound a new and exciting understanding of the workings of gravitation in one? If not then I dont need to read it to know it's bunk. If someone starts a book with "my family sailed to the US on the Titanic in 1921" I know from the openning sentence I'm reading fiction. Fiction dressed as fact has never interested me.

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross:
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well the reason why I bring all of this up is because some people think that Nibiru the 12th Planet in our solar system also known as planet X is going to be here in 2012


What does that mean? Is the planet going to come to Earth? Cross orbits? I'm a bit confused by the wording.

Also - is the planet X in this theory the same one that was discovered beyond Pluto (although both could be more accurately referred to as planetoids)? Or is it a new one that will be discovered in 2012?

Ok. I was serious. Can I make a joke about L. Ron Hubbard now?




well if the planet is out there and if you believe Zecharia Stitchen or the ancient Summarians, then it would be pretty safe to speculate that governments know about it, but just aren't given out the details because they are scared it going to cause a mass panic, in that respects you really can't blame them. Because you can see the potiental for a mass breakdown of what we call or consider civilzation. Some people have speculated based on the ancient mayan calendar and zecharia's calculations that 2012 is the year that Nibiru / planet x will be seen in our skies and its gravitational pull is going to cause all kinds disturbances.

But the ancient summarians talked about Nibiru/ planet X thousands of years ago, they even drew pictures of it and our solar system thousands of years ago , they already had the knowelege

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:01 PM

PIRATEJENNY


Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:
Does he expound a new and exciting understanding of the workings of gravitation in one? If not then I dont need to read it to know it's bunk. If someone starts a book with "my family sailed to the US on the Titanic in 1921" I know from the openning sentence I'm reading fiction. Fiction dressed as fact has never interested me.



well you shouldn't go around calling something silly you have absolutely no knowlege about. actually your post is silly because its baseless, if you had read his works and and was commenting on it would at least carry some weight, but since you haven't there really isn't anything left to say!!

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:21 PM

PIRATEJENNY


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Originally posted by freeradical42:
Eh, for some reason the entire scientific establishment disagrees with this. That's probably why people are attracted to it.

But pseudoscience and pseudotheology are still one and the same thing. I can say whatever I want, and it's still unconfirmable and therefore not really worth talking to other people about, you're just going to get backlash.

I could go through a whole bunch of reasons as to why there are errors with what you said in your post, but honestly you don't want me to do that and I don't want to do that to you.

If, by some chance, you do, just let me know.

"See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."



not really worth talking to other people about because you say so, I think not, after all who are you?] why would you care about what I said to give reason as to why there are errors, I agree that what I said probably didn't make that much sense to anyone who isn't familar with Zecharia Stitchen's work, but that wasn't my purpose for posting this thread, it wasn't so someone could prove me right or wrong really it has very little to do with me at all, no my purpose was to discuss Zecharias work, and to have a dialogue about other views and opinions.you might have something intresting to say but from what you posted I'm sure I'd never know, and I think given an option I'd be more apt to take Mr. stitchen's insight and knowlege over yours anyday.

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:32 PM

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reaverman wrote:
Simply put, your Planet X doesnt exist. It is a scientific impossibility.



are you sure??? would you be willing to stake your life on it!, because there are some scientist who agree that it does exist. and if it does exist idulge yourself for a few seconds, or better yet humor me, if it does exist how does that make you feel do you care if it does, or if it doesn't, does it scare you or make life seem more exciting does it change or alter your view of the world? and just why are you so quick to say its impossible.

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Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:51 PM

PIRATEJENNY


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Originally posted by reaverman:
I'll believe it when I see it. I've already wasted enough of my life believing in "God". Bring me solid evidence that any of the alternative religions are true, and I might be inclined to believe.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.



its not religion its simply just knowelege.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 12:57 AM

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Friday, April 14, 2006 2:25 AM

CITIZEN


So how did the ancient Sumerians know about DNA?

Also saying "you don't know what you're talking about" when someone refutes the possibillity of a planet X because they haven't read your source material does not a logical argument make. You say you want an intelligent debate on the subject, but at the moment you seem to want people to turn up and say "PirateJenny is right!".



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Friday, April 14, 2006 3:07 AM

NUCLEARDAY


Sounds like an interesting idea, piratejenny. (Heck, it ain't any more far-fetched than Scientology or the cult that formed around Heinlein's "Stanger in a Strange Land." :) I'm always on the lookout for more reading material, I may have to look up some of those books. Me, I'm just a sucker for interesting ideas. I could care less about which views are correct (and think "truth" might be a bit more subjective and liquid than we think,) so long as they spark thought and debate of some sort.

Far as the Mayan calendar goes: well I ain't exactly a well-read intellectual ;p (Most of my science comes from magazines, documentaries on cable, and Isaac Asimov's non-fiction.) So any of my opinions are to be taken with a grain of salt: but as I understand it, it's not supposed to be THE end in 2012, as much as AN end. Cyclical, right? Like the death card in the tarot. Frell, 2012 could be the best year ever far as I know.

Just in case, though, here's a link I always liked. For when that big nuclear war comes around ;) It was originally for researching some science fiction of my own, and it's... somewhat out-dated by now. But it's the most comprehensive and easy-to-read manual on survival a nuclear attack that I've been able to find: http://www.oism.org/nwss

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Friday, April 14, 2006 6:17 AM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
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Originally posted by freeradical42:
Eh, for some reason the entire scientific establishment disagrees with this. That's probably why people are attracted to it.

But pseudoscience and pseudotheology are still one and the same thing. I can say whatever I want, and it's still unconfirmable and therefore not really worth talking to other people about, you're just going to get backlash.

I could go through a whole bunch of reasons as to why there are errors with what you said in your post, but honestly you don't want me to do that and I don't want to do that to you.

If, by some chance, you do, just let me know.

"See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."



not really worth talking to other people about because you say so, I think not, after all who are you?] why would you care about what I said to give reason as to why there are errors, I agree that what I said probably didn't make that much sense to anyone who isn't familar with Zecharia Stitchen's work, but that wasn't my purpose for posting this thread, it wasn't so someone could prove me right or wrong really it has very little to do with me at all, no my purpose was to discuss Zecharias work, and to have a dialogue about other views and opinions.you might have something intresting to say but from what you posted I'm sure I'd never know, and I think given an option I'd be more apt to take Mr. stitchen's insight and knowlege over yours anyday.



...I looked up "Zecharia Stitchen"...apparently he is actually "Zecharia Sitchin," a popular pseudoarchaeologist whose works are sold as "science fiction" more often than not.

Using Kepler's models for the orbits of the planets, astronomers have found that it would be unlikely for anything smaller than a brown dwarf star to have such a massive orbital period. This brown dwarf, if it existed, would be easily detectable using gravitational and telescopic techniques, and yet it hasn't been. There's also the fact that Brown Dwarf Stars tend to be tough to live on, but even if live could originate on a star, that star isn't there, and couldn't be there if we wanted to have stable orbits for our planets.

Considering that 8/9 of the planets (yeah, Brown and his "Sedna" can stow it, that rock isn't a planet...) are even with the plane of the elliptic, the idea that there is some massive object that comes by us every 10^3 years (such a short period of time, too) is just laughable. We'd have been stripped from our orbit around the sun long ago. None of the outer planets would have any moons. The asteroid belt could not exist. Pluto wouldn't be there at all, and most of the Oort Cloud would be stripped away.

This doesn't even *touch* on how these 'Annunnaki' somehow evolved to withstand temperatures that vary on a far less than evolutionary timescale.

Cute ideas, this Zecharia Sitchin. Now he needs to learn some science rather than nitpicking ancient texts for evidence of aliens.

The thing that really gets me is that everyone assumes that for some reason aliens are either hostile invaders or some kind of amazingly intellectual creative force. If there's life on other planets, the odds are it's either wondering about us in the same way, unable to leave its planet, or just doesn't care about this little polluted planet.

"See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."

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Friday, April 14, 2006 6:39 AM

REAVERMAN


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Originally posted by piratejenny:
It has an eliptical orbit, and comes pretty close to the earth, not bad science at all.



But an eliptical orbit that would take 3600 years to complete is impossible to maintain. As I said before, planets don't turn on a dime. If this planet existed, it would drift out to the end of it's orbit and just keep going. At the distances we're talking about, the suns gravity field is not strong enough to hold a planet.

Plus, we would easily spot any such planet, because its orbit is so long. It would be visible every year, for most of the year. PLANET X DOESN"T EXIST. IT HAS NEVER EXISTED, AND IT WILL NEVER EXIST.



You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 2:27 PM

DANFAN


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Originally posted by reaverman:
Plus, if it took 3600 years, its orbit would be extremely long and very thin. Plnets cant turn on a dime. If it went so far out that it would take that many years to get back, it's gone. It ain't comin' back from that, because the sun's gravity is next to nothing out there. It would just keep drifting and drifting...



This claim troubled me. In truth, the Sun's gravity extends infinitely (as does the gravitational influence of everything else in our universe, as far as we know). The real issue is "at what distance does the Sun's gravity cease being sufficiently strong to influence an object in a universe with so many other gravitational objects jostling for influence?"

So I did a little research. It's been 30 years since I did this to earn a grade from a professor, so I went here for my refresher course:

http://www.astro-tom.com/technical_data/elliptical_orbits.htm

First, some definitions:

period - the time it takes to complete one orbit

major axis - the long axis of the ellipse

minor axis - the short axis of the ellipse

semimajor axis - half of the major axis (used in mathematical formulae for planetary motion such as Kepler's Third Law)

Focus - the point within the ellipse that is occupied by the Sun. There is another focus that is unoccupied... it merely defines the eccentricity of the elliptical orbit. Eccentricity means a small minor axis and a large major axis... a long, thin orbit.

A.U. - astronomical units... the distance between earth and the sun. Approximately 93 million miles. It is often used in planetary calculations as a reasonably large chunk of distance to keep from carrying tons of zeros in your solar system calculations. Also, if you use A.U.s for your distance in such planetary calculations, your unit of time is years.

perihelion - closest approach to Sun

Aphelion - furthest distance from Sun

^ - my own notation for "raising to the power of". Sue me.

Given a long, thin elliptical orbit (in mathematical terms, an orbit with a large major axis and a short minor axis), the following derivation of Kepler's Third Law says this:

Semimajor Axis = (Period)^(2/3)

Semimajor Axis = (3600 years)^(2/3)
Semimajor Axis = 235 A.U.

Thus

Major Axis = 470 A.U.

For this Planet X to strongly interact with Earth, it needs to come to within approximately earthlike proximity to the Sun during perihelion. Let's say within single digit A.U's. Thus, at aphelion, the planet will be slightly less than 470 A.U from the
Sun. The difference between the major axis and aphelion should be small enough to ignore for the purpose of this back-of-the envelope calculation.

470 A.U. = 43.6 billion miles = 2.7 light days = 0.0074 light years

Seems like not so much from an interstellar perspective, doesn't it? However, the Sun's gravitational force, while still present, is exceedingly weak at that distance. Weak enough to be no sure thing? I went here to try to answer that question:

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/oort.htm

There, I found the following quotes:

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The Oort cloud is an immense spherical cloud surrounding the planetary system and extending approximately 3 light years, about 30 trillion kilometers from the Sun. This vast distance is considered the edge of the Sun's orb of physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence.

Within the cloud, comets are typically tens of millions of kilometers apart. They are weakly bound to the sun, and passing stars and other forces can readily change their orbits, sending them into the inner solar system or out to interstellar space.

The Oort cloud is the source of long-period comets and possibly higher-inclination intermediate comets that were pulled into shorter period orbits by the planets, such as Halley and Swift-Tuttle. Comets can also shift their orbits due to jets of gas and dust that rocket from their icy surface as they approach the sun. Although they get off course, comets do have initial orbits with widely different ranges, from 200 years to once every million years or more. Comets entering the planetary region for the first time, come from an average distance of 44,000 astronomical units.



Average distance that a comet originates from is 44000 A.U.s! Given that number, 470 A.U.s kinda seems like next door, doesn't it? I would conclude that dispelling this belief based on the orbital mechanics is false. 3600 years could be a somewhat stable orbit IF THERE WERE NO OTHER INFLUENCES.

Of course, the emphasis in that last sentence is meant to indicate that there are numerous other influences. In fact, there are 9 of them in the immediate neighborhood of the Sun. The planets in our Solar System beat comets senseless every time they stop by for a visit... we degrade their orbits, get in their way, etc. This is an inhospitable neighborhood for travelers like that. These comets don't bother us much (from the perspective of a planetary system) because they are grains of sand compared to the planetary masses that they interact with. A cometary impact may mean a lot to the LIFE on the planet it hits. To the PLANET, it is a mosquito bite.

The difference with having a planetary mass on a cometary orbit is that such a mass can fight back. OUR orbits would be noticeably affected (degraded) by even a single pass of a planetary mass through the neighborhood. Plus, with each pass that opportunity for "getting in its way" also exists. Multiply that by hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of times (orbital periods for this Planet X) over the life of our solar system and the other claim in this thread (that our solar system would have been thoroughly disrupted/destroyed by such a recurring visitor over time) is so highly probable as to be nearly a mathematical certainty.

Other considerations that weigh in against Stichin's claims:

1) Life requires external energy to operate. In our case its the Sun. It provides fuel for plants which provide fuel for other critters (including us). While 470 A.U.s may be cosmological chicken feed in terms of distance, it does render the Sun a negligible energy source for fueling life on Planet X at aphelion. In fact, ALL external energy sources in our galactic neighborhood are chicken feed at that distance. You can postulate that this Intelligence on Planet X developed their own energy sources... but that just begs the argument "where did the energy to sustain them come from before they got smart enough to scavenge it on their own?" You can't just say "Well there must have been something else at the start because they exist now!" That's something of a circular argument... impossible to refute, contributing no information, hence useless.

2) It seems to me that a planetary mass a "mere" 470 A.U. would be noticeable given present astronomical technology. I'm speaking out of school now (I'm certainly not an expert), but I'm just sayin'...

Sorry for the long post. I just smelled a math challenge in the air and I couldn't walk away from it. Time for supper now. Bye!

P.S. - I knocked this out on short order. I apologize for any math errors that may have occurred during my foray into mathematics in which I am woefully out of practice.

P.P.S. - Edited to correct for incorrect use of "perihelion" and a few typos.


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Friday, April 14, 2006 6:57 PM

DANFAN


And one other thing. In my post, where I said that the Sun's gravitational influence extended "infinitely," I don't think that's entirely accurate... at least that's not universally accepted. Gravitational propogation has been measured at roughly the speed of light as described here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3077353/

However, there are still scientists who dispute these measurements. So, the Sun's gravitional influence either extends to infinity (if gravity is instantaneous) or it extends as far as its light has been able to travel since it was formed. Or somewhere in between.

Regardless, once you get far enough away, it becomes too small to be of any consequence in our crowded galaxy.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 7:01 PM

PIRATEJENNY


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
So how did the ancient Sumerians know about DNA?

Also saying "you don't know what you're talking about" when someone refutes the possibillity of a planet X because they haven't read your source material does not a logical argument make. You say you want an intelligent debate on the subject, but at the moment you seem to want people to turn up and say "PirateJenny is right!".







Oh geeze, actually you can refute something all you want, but if you are refuting something you have no knowelege of, then that in my opinion does not make a logical argument. and if you knew anything about Zecharia Stitchen's work you wouldn't say I wanted people to turn up an say I was right. Zecharia Stitchen himself says when people ask him where he gets his information he says from the Summarians. so you see it has absolutely nothing to do with me period, it has nothing to do with me being right or wrong I'm not even in the equation. Zecharia has about 8 or 9 books out on the subject I've read all of them except for his latest, all I can tell you is that the sumarians based on ancient text were aware of D.N.A, if your interested read the books and you'll find out how.

It has nothing to do with me being right or wrong, I'm not trying to convince anybody that Zecharia stichen is right or wrong, I just thought it would make interesting conversation if anyone was familar with his work, do I happen to think highly of his work, the answer to that is yes, but I'm not saying anyone else has to just because I do. all I'm saying is its not really intelligent to knock something if you know nothing about it.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 7:14 PM

REAVERMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by danfan:
And one other thing. In my post, where I said that the Sun's gravitational influence extended "infinitely," I don't think that's entirely accurate... at least that's not universally accepted.



The most commonly accepted figure I have seen is that the sun's gravity field extends for roughly 1 lightyear in every direction. Out there, though, it is so negligible as to be immeasureable.

P.S. I recommend you read (if you haven't already) The Elegant Universe. I can't remember the author's name at the moment (digging the book out of the junk in my garage would take too long), but it is an excellent source of scientific information. Its main focus is string theory, but it has very detailed, but easy to understand explanations of relativity and quantum mechanics. It has several sections on gravitation and the various theories that surround it.
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 7:16 PM

PIRATEJENNY


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverman:
Quote:

Originally posted by piratejenny:
It has an eliptical orbit, and comes pretty close to the earth, not bad science at all.



But an eliptical orbit that would take 3600 years to complete is impossible to maintain. As I said before, planets don't turn on a dime. If this planet existed, it would drift out to the end of it's orbit and just keep going. At the distances we're talking about, the suns gravity field is not strong enough to hold a planet.

Plus, we would easily spot any such planet, because its orbit is so long. It would be visible every year, for most of the year. PLANET X DOESN"T EXIST. IT HAS NEVER EXISTED, AND IT WILL NEVER EXIST.



You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.




How do you know it doesn't exist, I'm just curious, you say it doesn't exist, it has never existed and it will never exist. The ancient summarians say it does exist. How do you know this.

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Friday, April 14, 2006 7:21 PM

PIRATEJENNY


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Originally posted by nuclearday:
Sounds like an interesting idea, piratejenny. (Heck, it ain't any more far-fetched than Scientology or the cult that formed around Heinlein's "Stanger in a Strange Land." :) I'm always on the lookout for more reading material, I may have to look up some of those books. Me, I'm just a sucker for interesting ideas. I could care less about which views are correct (and think "truth" might be a bit more subjective and liquid than we think,) so long as they spark thought and debate of some sort.

Far as the Mayan calendar goes: well I ain't exactly a well-read intellectual ;p (Most of my science comes from magazines, documentaries on cable, and Isaac Asimov's non-fiction.) So any of my opinions are to be taken with a grain of salt: but as I understand it, it's not supposed to be THE end in 2012, as much as AN end. Cyclical, right? Like the death card in the tarot. Frell, 2012 could be the best year ever far as I know.

Just in case, though, here's a link I always liked. For when that big nuclear war comes around ;) It was originally for researching some science fiction of my own, and it's... somewhat out-dated by now. But it's the most comprehensive and easy-to-read manual on survival a nuclear attack that I've been able to find: http://www.oism.org/nwss

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You can take my hope when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.



if your going to read Zecharia Stitchen defintely start with his 1rst book " The 12th Planet, " Stairway to Heaven and a must "The Wars of Gods and Men" if you make it that far I'm sure you'll be hooked and have to read all the others, and also " The God's of Eden" by William Bramley, they are all fascinating reads wether you believe what they are saying or not.



thanks for the link actually I've been wanting to find out some information on this subject you never know with the way things are it just might come in handy., so thanks again

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