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ANGELUS ARCANUM

It's official

POSTED BY: KALATHENA
UPDATED: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 07:28
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Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:27 AM

On the up-side, five seasons is a respectable run. It'll also be interesting to see how they wrap things up.

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|86346|1|,00.html

--Kala

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:34 AM

MOOSE

Well, dang. I was finally getting into the series. Still, 5 seasons is a pretty good run.

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:53 AM

SUCCATASH

This news is quite upsetting. I was really getting into Angel. Sigh.

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:20 AM

KAYTHRYN

Bastards. And I was just getting to be an obsessive Angel fan. Grrrrrr. Arg.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:34 AM

SOUTHERNMERC

You're right. That really is bad news. I was getting into Angel after Buffy went away, and now this season is looking great.

What I want to know is, why do these people hate Joss so much? They take away his INCREDIBLE shows, and replace them with tripe (typically, don't know whats replacing Angel yet).

Jayne: "How big a room?"

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:37 AM

SUCCATASH

Do you think this would have happened if S. Geller had shown more support for the show by agreeing to appear? It would have helped the ratings. ??

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:42 AM

ECMORGAN69

You know why, don't you? Because Joss Whedon and Mutant Enemy brings intelligent, unique programming to a world devoid of it. Of course the corporate DFMs in charge are afraid of anything intelligent or unique. They are much happier shoveling empty-headed tripe like "American Idol", "The Simple Life", "Survivor", etc. into the airwaves. May they all be pitched into active

volcanos

"You can't take the sky from me..."

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:53 AM

ATHERTONWING

okay i know its pretty much in vain but please if your an angel fan or even if your not take the time to sign this please,as firefly fans we all know what its like to have a show cancelled. dont let this happen to angel or joss, i for one cant take it god knows how he is feeling right now.show your support.

http://www.buffy.nu/article.php3?id_article=3253

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:06 AM

ECMORGAN69

#2561!

"You can't take the sky from me..."

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:30 AM

RITA

no no nnoooooooooooooooooooooo. this sucks how come why anyone know that article didn't suffice. Is it ratings? what is it? and most importantly how can we stop it?

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:52 AM

SIOUXSIE

I've gotta delurk to pay my respects as well. Even though this hasn't been my favorite season, Angel will be sorely missed (and next year's schedule will be bleak!)

Don't know about anyone else, but after Friday, December 13, 2002 and Friday, February 13, 2004, I'm not so sure 'Friday the 13th' is an old wives' tale.

Better days are coming!!!

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:01 AM

CAPTAINCDC

Quote:
Originally posted by SouthernMerc:
You're right. That really is bad news. I was getting into Angel after Buffy went away, and now this season is looking great.

What I want to know is, why do these people hate Joss so much? They take away his INCREDIBLE shows, and replace them with tripe (typically, don't know whats replacing Angel yet).

Jayne: "How big a room?"

Oh I'm sure they will find some ridiculous "reality" show to replace it with. That or the show that they cancelled Angel for in the first place, John Wells Dark Shadows.

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:07 AM

ARAWAEN

Yeah, the Dark Shadows the WB promised could coexist with Angel. Lyin' bastards.

Arawaen

Um, I'm lost. Uh, I'm Angry. And I'm Armed.

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:03 AM

STEVE580

Bastards. Why the f*ck would they cancel such an outstanding program? I mean, I know their goal is to make money...but for God's sake, don't these sons of bitches have souls?

I just don't understand.
-Steve

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:07 AM

STEVE580

Ah hey, but no one posted the good news.

Quote:
"Like some of the great series that are leaving the air this year, including 'Frasier' and 'Friends,' the cast, crew, writers and producers of 'Angel' deserve to be able to wrap up the series in a way befitting a classic television series, and that is why we went to Joss to let him know that this would be the last year of the series on The WB," the network says in a statement. "We have discussed continuing the Angel legacy with special movie events next year, which is still on the table. "

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:31 AM

KELLAINA

I'd like to believe the whole "special movie" thing, but the WB has said that before when cancelling series, most notably with 'Popular.' (I think there may have been another example but my mind is currently drawing a blank).

I can't help but wonder if its a way to calm the fans down.

BTW; did anyone happen to catch what Fox is currently showing Fridays at 8pm?
The Great American Celebrity Spelling Bee.

Every year there are fewer and fewer reasons to watch tv.

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:01 AM

TVDIR

Keep in mind a lot of reasons why shows get cancelled after a certain amount of seasons (beyond ratings)...money. Particularly, license fees that the network has to pay for each episode and of course, renegotiating salaries of producers and stars. Usually after five seasons, it's hard to keep the show going in today's TV world. You won't find many programs (especially hits) go past seven. Five is the time to re-up everything. Angel is already in syndication, so there wasn't a need for more episodes.

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:45 AM

APEMAN61

I hate these damn tv people. good show after good show gets cancelled for something dumb...or another good show that they will soon cancel. I hate them so much.

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 12:35 PM

CANADIANJON

But if Adam Baldwin ends up being the final
showdown for Angel, that would be kind of
the best possible way to end things.
Buffy vs Nathan, and then Angel vs Gina Torres,
then Angel vs ADAM BALDWIN!

heh.

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:07 PM

BOOMERGOODHEART

Well, this just blows.

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 3:22 PM

KALATHENA

Quote:
Keep in mind a lot of reasons why shows get cancelled after a certain amount of seasons (beyond ratings)...money. Particularly, license fees that the network has to pay for each episode and of course, renegotiating salaries of producers and stars.

Excellent points.

I knew there would be sadness about this, but I'm really surprised at the sheer outrage. Myself, if James Marsters wasn't there, I wouldn't have started watching the show again after stopping about half way through last season.

Does the WB have any reality shows? None leap to mind. As far as I know, their big draw is teen dramas, or dramas targeted for the teen audience.

And I sincerely doubt that after giving Angel its outrageously wonderful time slot this season that they have it in for Joss. Remember: Angel follows the WB's current flagship show, Smallville. You can't ask for a better time slot.
To me, I feel that they did everything they could to save it, but it was too late.

--Kala

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:34 PM

INFRA172

It has good ratings! This is what network execs do! They say "you can only keep your show if you jump through this intricate series of flaming hoops." Then, when Joss jumps through every hoop perfectly they say "nevermind, we're cancelling the series anyways." "We want to put on another reality show about monkeys dating each other, performing feats, eating worms and getting voted off an island by B-list celebrities."

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:02 PM

SHEPHERDOFHERMAS

I think when you promise WB that Sarach Michelle Gellar is going to be on your show during sweeps, and then that just doesn't happen, there's going to be hell to pay.

Honestly, I think this season got the go ahead not only because of James Marsters and the new concept but because of some promises of SMG showing up.

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:14 PM

MILT

Though all things must come to an end it is getting to the point to where i really do not need to have cable anymore. Losing Angel is one of the last straws.

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Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:54 PM

STEVE580

Quote:
Originally posted by kalathena:
I feel that they did everything they could to save it, but it was too late.

The WB did everything they could to save Angel from the WB cancelling Angel? To me, it would seem the obvious way to avoid cancelling a show is to...not..cancel it.

I don't quite understand this statement. Save it from what? It had good ratings...
-Steve

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Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:32 AM

KALATHENA

The WB did everything it could to save Angel from the decline in ratings. A decline in ratings is what causes the cancellation of a show. Placing it in its plumb time slot didn't help, neither did bringing Marsters on board.

It may have had "good" ratings, but it never had "great" ratings. This is the American Corporate Model which continually tells us "If you aren't getting bigger, you are a failure." Marsters plus new time slot was supposed to increase ratings, not keep them on an even keel. Ratings did not grow, and even declined slightly. Show gets cancelled.

--Kala

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Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:31 AM

RITA

Really the ratings slid?

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Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:45 AM

GHOULMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by Steve580:
Bastards. Why the f*ck would they cancel such an outstanding program? I mean, I know their goal is to make money...but for God's sake, don't these sons of bitches have souls?

I just don't understand.
-Steve

I feel the need to point out that if your
I feel the need to point out that if your only goal is to make money that you don't have a soul.

Saddness. I love Angel and heck, all of Whedons' programs. If it weren't for the History channel and Joss Whedon I wouldn't bother getting cable! Joss has recreated TV drama in a unique way that needs to be recognized. Let's face it, if HUSH had won an emmy Joss would have more clout.

Advice to Joss and Co. - Get some clout!

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Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:46 AM

GHOULMAN

^^^ ew. Bad edit.

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Sunday, February 15, 2004 6:33 AM

INVISIBLEGREEN

Quote:
Originally posted by kalathena:
The WB did everything it could to save Angel from the decline in ratings. A decline in ratings is what causes the cancellation of a show. Placing it in its plumb time slot didn't help, neither did bringing Marsters on board.

Ratings were up 11% this season. Critical reviews of this season were also more positive. The only mediocre review is the new york post article on the 100th episode, where the writer said it was hard for anyone to get the show because of its "complex plots, subtle humor, and chamelionic characters." Of course, I love the complex plots, subtle humor, and well-developed, interesting, dynamic characters.

Also, bringing Marsters on board was not Joss's original plan--he did it at the request of the WB. If it wasn't for the WB, which wanted all Buffy fans to get their fix on Angel, Spike would still be dead (unless that Faith series happened).

The real reason the show was cancelled was costs. It's a very expensive show. And all of the contracts expire this year, so they'd have to renegotiate with the cast, crew, marketing, etc., and it would most likely be a stressful, time-consuming, cost-raising event.

That's also why "Angel" will almost certainly not be picked up by another network--it's ratings are too low for bigger networks (FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS) and it's too expensive for smaller networks (UPN, PAX, PBS, basic cables channels, first run syndication).

The WB was a perfect fit for "Angel" and now we're screwed.

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Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:32 AM

TEEHUNT

Quote:
Originally posted by InvisibleGreen:

Ratings were up 11% this season.

Actually, the ratings were up %36 in total viewership. Which I found really interesting.

http://www.thewb.com/PressRelease/Index/0,8341,154256,00.html

This must be one expensive show to run. Or somebody must not like Joss very much. I'm beginning to think there's a conspiracy Against Good TV.

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Sunday, February 15, 2004 11:27 AM

SLAYER730

#10,437 :)

***Never judge a book by its movie***

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Monday, February 16, 2004 12:24 AM

LITWOLF689

As sad as I am to say good bye to Angel and the whole Joss Whedon universe, cant say Im surprised. I was hoping for maybe one more season, but I had a feeling this was the end.

I guess the only thing left to do is give the show a nice round of applause and then buy the DVD's coming out.

Good bye Angel, I shall miss you very much!

^-^

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Monday, February 16, 2004 1:00 PM

INSANESPIKE

A conspiracy against good TV? What could pssibly give you that idea? Oh wait, maybe it's teh fact that shows like "The Simple Life" get renewed, while shows like Angel get cancelled. I swear, if I see one more

reality show on TV, im gonna quit watching.

Now, when it was announced that Buffy was on it's last season, I was disappointed. But after looking back at the last two seasons, I could tell that it was time for the show to come to an end. To me, seasons 6 and 7 were two of the weakest seasons of the entire show. At least it went out on a fairly high note, and didn't try to prolong a life that wasn't there anymore.

But to me, Angel is the exact opposite. So far, season 5 is one of the BEST seasons I've ever seen! They've just entered this whole new arc with the crew taking over Wolfram & Hart, and I don't really see that as being a storyline you can sum up in the nine episodes that are remaining. Even though I'm sure Joss is going to do a great job of wrapping things up for us at the end, I'm sure there are still going to be SO many questions left unanswered and possibilities left unexplored, that I'm going to be left with a feeling of "what if?" And I don't think even a "special movie" down the line could help that feeling. I just hope that we are not left without a Joss Whedon created TV series for very long.

And before I sign off, I noticed that someone had posted a link to a petition to save the series. I came across another petition similar while checking the WB message boards, and to my knowledge, this one is the first and original petition started to save the show. I urge you all to sign it as well. Currently, it has over 28 thousand signatures. Maybe, just MAYBE, with the combined forces of all these petitions out there something can be done. As much as I doubt this to be ture, its better than doing nothing at all.

http://www.petitiononline.com/ai5d0162/petition.html

"How drunk was I last night?"

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Monday, February 16, 2004 2:24 PM

WULFHAWK

Gorram Fox!

We oughta raise up a statue to thems that done this ... cause we all know they're some kinda summbiches.

Take my love
Take my land

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Monday, February 16, 2004 3:42 PM

CAPTMILOMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by SouthernMerc:
You're right. That really is bad news. I was getting into Angel after Buffy went away, and now this season is looking great.

What I want to know is, why do these people hate Joss so much? They take away his INCREDIBLE shows, and replace them with tripe (typically, don't know whats replacing Angel yet).

Jayne: "How big a room?"

I may be mistaken, but Buffy the Vampire Slayer had pretty much ran its course and the cast were ready to move onto other things. Joss wanted that show to end while it was still considered popular. I read earlier today that he's a bit ticked off with what has happened to Angel.

"They cancelled my friggin' show!" Joss Whedon after learning that WB has cancelled Angel.

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:28 AM

SOUTHERNMERC

Wasn't refering to Buffy (sorry if I wasn't clear), but to his two other shows: Angel and of course, Firefly. After Buffy left the air I honestly have NO idea what they put on, and I honestly don't care. Most of TV is a wasteland as far as I'm concerned. A wasteland with a few oases scattered about, here and there.

Ah well, here's to hoping that the FF movie kickstarts a new series!

Jayne: "How big a room?"

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