ANGELUS ARCANUM

Renouncing My Ways: The Angelic Version

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Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:59 AM

DEEPGIRL187


So in addition to my Buffy-repentance, I've now started worshipping at the feet of Angel (did that sound as bad as I think it did? ).

The first season has been great so far, though you can tell it's still finding it's footing. Though I hate to say it, Angel has really moved out from under Buffy's shadow. He's allowed to become his own person, whereas before, he was only defined by his realtionship to Buffy. This will have positive consequences, I think.

I'm liking Doyle so far. He's good as a wingman. But my favorite has to be Cordelia. I was never a big fan when she was on Buffy, but now you get to see her as an adult, not just a stuck-up teen. She really has started to understand what the real world is like. And having to meditate to stave off the effects of hunger must have really put things in perspective for her.

My absolute favorite part is as usual, Spike.

Quote:

"How can I thank you, you mysterious, black-clad hunk of a night thing?"

"No need, little lady, your tears of gratitude are enough for me. You see, I was once a badass vampire, but love and a pesky curse defanged me. Now I’m just a big, fluffy puppy with bad teeth."

"No, not the hair! Never the hair!"

"But there must be someway I can show my appreciation."

"No, helping those in need’s my job, - and working up a load of sexual tension, and prancing away like a magnificent poof is truly thanks enough!"

"I understand. I have a nephew who is gay, so…"

"Say no more. Evil’s still afoot! And I’m almost out of that Nancy-boy hair-gel that I like so much. Quickly, to the Angel-mobile, away!"



'Nuff said.

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Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:33 AM

GROOSALUGG


And of course, there was:

"From now on, I'm my own man. Yeah. Lone wolf. Sole survivor. Look out--here comes Spike! The biggest, baddest... mother..." Hair catches fire.

And probably some of Cordy's best moments ever were in the Angel pilot:

"But you're not... evil? I mean, you're not here to, you know, bite people?"

"...with no mirrors, and lots of curtains, and hey, you're a vampire!"

"You don't know who he is, do you? Oh boy, you're about to get your ass kicked."

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Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:36 AM

ELDUSTO


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
So in addition to my Buffy-repentance, I've now started worshipping at the feet of Angel (did that sound as bad as I think it did? ).

The first season has been great so far, though you can tell it's still finding it's footing. Though I hate to say it, Angel has really moved out from under Buffy's shadow. He's allowed to become his own person, whereas before, he was only defined by his realtionship to Buffy. This will have positive consequences, I think.

I'm liking Doyle so far. He's good as a wingman. But my favorite has to be Cordelia. I was never a big fan when she was on Buffy, but now you get to see her as an adult, not just a stuck-up teen. She really has started to understand what the real world is like. And having to meditate to stave off the effects of hunger must have really put things in perspective for her.

My absolute favorite part is as usual, Spike.

Quote:

"How can I thank you, you mysterious, black-clad hunk of a night thing?"

"No need, little lady, your tears of gratitude are enough for me. You see, I was once a badass vampire, but love and a pesky curse defanged me. Now I’m just a big, fluffy puppy with bad teeth."

"No, not the hair! Never the hair!"

"But there must be someway I can show my appreciation."

"No, helping those in need’s my job, - and working up a load of sexual tension, and prancing away like a magnificent poof is truly thanks enough!"

"I understand. I have a nephew who is gay, so…"

"Say no more. Evil’s still afoot! And I’m almost out of that Nancy-boy hair-gel that I like so much. Quickly, to the Angel-mobile, away!"



'Nuff said.




Doyle was an ok character. I think Wesley was a better sidekick for Angel, though.
I got the same impression from the first season as you did when I first saw it. The second season starts to pick it up alittle. I think it was the third season or the last half of the third season that the show started to become a great show to watch. All the seasons starting from the 3rd season are my favotites. The 5th season being my most favorite, except for the series finaly, I thought was too rushed and could have been better if it was a 2 hour show instead of just one hour.


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Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:28 AM

AURAPTOR

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I'm liking Doyle so far.


Oh boy. Not sure how to put this....I like Doyle alot too! I've seen Angel through 2x's now, and have SE 2 and 5 on disc. Always awesome stuff. Going back and re-learning Buffy as I'm doing now ( and you've done ) makes the stories soooo much more interesting and exciting! LOTS of connections between Buffy/Angel which I was ignorant about, have started coming to light. Sometimes vague comments can refer to something irrelevent, or major plot situations from the past. Unless you know the context, you're mostly lost. Watching Buffy has clued me into stuff like that, and it's so damn fun!

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, September 2, 2006 4:06 PM

DEEPGIRL187


"Quick Wesley, to the Angelmobile!"

*sigh*

It's not fair, gorramit. I liked Doyle. Joss could have done a ton more with his character. And I'm sorry to all the Wesley-lovers out there, but he's a poor substitute in my opinion. Though he does make a better Robin to Angel's Batman. Doyle was more Nightwing-ish.

On a lighter note, I liked "Bachelor Party". Dobson (Carlos Jacott) is really good at playing the whole guy-next-door thing. Well, at least the guy-next-door-planning-to-kill-you.

"Sense And Sensitivity" was just plain scary. I mean, Angel being considerate? That has to be against some law. Unless it has to do with Buffy.

There are some days when I actually like Angel better than Buffy. Maybe not like better, but it is nice to have a break from Sunnydale. On Angel the characters are adults dealing with adult problems. Like it or not, the Scoobies are still kids. It's nice to have a fresh breath of maturity every now and then.

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Saturday, September 2, 2006 5:21 PM

AMYEL


Wesley takes a while to become awesome, but you just have to be patient.

Joss claims to have killed off Doyle because he always wanted to have a credited cast member die off a few eps into a show (he wanted to do that with Jesse and put the actor into the credits for the pilot but wasn't allowed). But I really think something happened with Glenn Quinn. The episode "Hero" was obviously rushed (demon Nazis, really?) and some of the script was extracted from an episode that the WB wouldn't allow them to make for 1.2 because it was "too dark" (little did they know...) Glenn died of a drug overdose a few years later, so I always wondered.... and there were a few little rumblings at the time too. Maybe the plan was always to kill off Doyle in the first season, but I don't think it was supposed to be at that moment.

Oh, and this is another little trivial bit. Whistler (from 'Becoming') was supposed to be in the cast but the actor wasn't available to shoot the pilot (jail or something like that) so Joss had to come up with a Whistler-ish character and there came Doyle. There used to be a first draft of the pilot script online that had Whistler in it. The lines didn't change that much; Joss just took out the stuff where Angel and Whistler talked about meeting before.

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Saturday, September 2, 2006 6:24 PM

GROOSALUGG


Quote:

Originally posted by amyel:
Wesley takes a while to become awesome, but you just have to be patient.


I'll second that! Just stick with him, and watch him change before your very eyes--tho it's done in such a nice, gradual way, that suddenly you're looking at him at the end of S3 and wondering how he got to that point with you barely noticing it...

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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 7:02 AM

RUGBUG


Quote:

Originally posted by Groosalugg:
Quote:

Originally posted by amyel:
Wesley takes a while to become awesome, but you just have to be patient.


I'll second that!



Third from me!

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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
Just stick with him, and watch him change before your very eyes--tho it's done in such a nice, gradual way, that suddenly you're looking at him at the end of S3 and wondering how he got to that point with you barely noticing it...



and wondering when he got so hot.



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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 7:57 PM

AMYEL


Quote:

Originally posted by RugBug:


and wondering when he got so hot.



I figured out that his hotness is in proportion to his pain. The more miserable his life is the more he gets. Maybe it's a compensatory factor. Hell, I wish I had that, because I'd look like a supermodel by now!

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 4:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Wesley takes a while to become awesome, but you just have to be patient.



I fourth that motion! Dunno which season you've seen, but I'll bet dollars to donuts that before you're done with it all, you'll come to like Wesley well enough.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, September 9, 2006 10:39 AM

DEEPGIRL187


I've been traumatized. Really. I may be scarred for life.

Whatever I've said about Joss being evil before now, I take it back. Nothing compares to the absolute horror I've just seen.

In case you're wondering, I'm referring to the scenes of Angel and Wesley dancing in "She". I mean, god, it was just...too horrible for words. I've had nightmares.

On the less frightening side, "Expecting" was...fascinating. And poor Cordy. She's really been through the ringer this season. And I'm actually starting to tolerate Wesley. I found the scene in "I've Got You Under My Skin" where the demon talks about his father very interesting. I might actually have to start having sympathy for him.

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Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:35 PM

GROOSALUGG


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Whatever I've said about Joss being evil before now, I take it back. Nothing compares to the absolute horror I've just seen.

In case you're wondering, I'm referring to the scenes of Angel and Wesley dancing in "She". I mean, god, it was just...too horrible for words. I've had nightmares.


Oh, that reminds me--here's a spoiler-free heads-up for an upcoming disc: when you get to the first episode of S2 ("Judgment"), make sure you don't kick it back to the menu when it fades to black ("Executive Producers--Joss Whedon & David Greenwalt") at the end of the ep. Watch it all the way thru the entire end credits. Not to be missed, under any circumstances!

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:50 PM

DEEPGIRL187


Well, it finally happened. But I fought it. Honest.

I, along with the many others I'm sure, have become a Wesley fan. It was a gradual process, but he's slowly won me over. I've actually cheered for him at moments. He's not such a bad guy after all.

And major kudos to Eliza Dushku. I was extremely impressed by her performance in "Five By Five" and "Sanctuary". She was able to portray Faith's deterioration in a very convincing manner.

You know, I've noticed something about Angelus. He's kind of like this old friend who you don't see that often, but when you do meet up again, you have a barrel of fun. In a demented way.

Well, Buffy's finally done it. I was waiting for it to happen, but she's finally pissed me off. Royally, even. How dare she judge Angel for trying to help Faith. And more than that, how dare she be pissed at even the idea that Angel is with another woman. It's not like she's been exactly chaste (far from it, as a matter of fact). Angel's right, this is his town, and he has every right to do as he sees fit. I hate to say this, but I'm glad they're broken up. Angel deserves better.

*whew*

Okay, rant over. Had to get that off my chest.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:46 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:

how dare she be pissed at even the idea that Angel is with another woman.

She chastizes because she loves.

Chrisisall

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Friday, September 15, 2006 12:20 PM

DEEPGIRL187


I noticed a thread about Gunn saying that Angel lost its edge after he appeared on the show. I'd have to respectfully disagree, though I've admittedly only seen the first season. I don't know if his character was really meant to be hardcore. What I saw was a young man trying his best to survive, and to protect the people he cared about. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't see the stereotypical "baddest man on the block".

I enjoyed the finale, and I think there's a lot to look forward to in the coming seasons. One of the things that Angel has over Buffy is the sense of family. The Scoobies may be a family, but they're certainly a dysfunctional one. But the Fang Gang really care for each other, and they look out for each other. It really reminds me of our beloved crew. Of course, this all could be first-season glamour working its spell over me, but time will tell.

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Friday, September 15, 2006 12:41 PM

GROOSALUGG


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I noticed a thread about Gunn saying that Angel lost its edge after he appeared on the show. I'd have to respectfully disagree, though I've admittedly only seen the first season. I don't know if his character was really meant to be hardcore. What I saw was a young man trying his best to survive, and to protect the people he cared about. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't see the stereotypical "baddest man on the block".


I remember well the thread you're talking about, and also disagreed with it. Basically, I felt like Chris was complaining that Gunn wasn't 'ghetto' enough (correct me if I've got you wrong on that, Chris). Just because he wasn't that pre-conceived, stereotypical image of what a black street kid was 'supposed' to be like doesn't mean he wasn't a realistic character; no two people are alike, remember, so I never had a problem buying him as genuine. I certainly don't believe the show lost any 'edge' because of him, and even tho the writers (admittedly) struggled often with what to do with him, I thought he made a very nice addition to the cast...

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Friday, September 15, 2006 1:21 PM

CHRISISALL


I didn't mean 'ghetto', just that his lack of any real edge was hard to swallow. Too much marshmellow underneath the cartoon toughness. For ME.
Your milage may vary.

Not big on the show anyway Xanderisall

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Friday, September 15, 2006 5:52 PM

GROOSALUGG


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I didn't mean 'ghetto', just that his lack of any real edge was hard to swallow. Too much marshmellow underneath the cartoon toughness. For ME.


Okay, thanks for clarifying.


I still disagree with you, tho.

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Monday, September 18, 2006 6:13 AM

DEEPGIRL187


Must get the scariness out of my head...

The only thing scarier than watching David Boreanaz sing "Mandy" is watching him dance. The Mutant Enemy folks are truly disturbed people.

Season 2 is off to a good start, I think. I like the relationship they've developed between Gunn and Cordelia. I'm also liking the new digs - the Hyperion is really cool.

But I think my favorite part so far was at the very end of the first episode. I like the fact that they had Angel visit Faith. He may be the only person that really believes in her, but as long as she has someone, she'll have a chance.

Unlike Buffy, I think I'm getting good vibes for this season. Of course, knowing Joss and Co., I'm probably wrong.

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Monday, September 18, 2006 6:29 AM

GROOSALUGG


"What are you all doing in my living room?"


That should've been used in every closing credits sequence 'til the end of the show...

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Monday, September 18, 2006 6:34 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:

Unlike Buffy, I think I'm getting good vibes for this season. Of course, knowing Joss and Co., I'm probably wrong.


Those good vibes will last....for a while.
But in a season or so....

Yeah, Buffy doesn't take the win for dark Chrisisall

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Monday, September 18, 2006 6:54 AM

GROOSALUGG


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:

Unlike Buffy, I think I'm getting good vibes for this season. Of course, knowing Joss and Co., I'm probably wrong.


Those good vibes will last....for a while.
But in a season or so....

Yeah, Buffy doesn't take the win for dark Chrisisall


Dude, have you even seen S3 yet?

('Cause, BTW, it's probably only second to S5 as Angel's best season...)

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Monday, September 18, 2006 9:34 AM

CHRISISALL


I read the detailed synopses...

I'll get to 'em Chrisisall

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Monday, September 18, 2006 1:49 PM

AMYEL


S3 isn't as bad as some people *coughchrisisallwatchthedamnthingalreadycough* think it is. It is dark, but a good dark. I didn't have any problems with it til last couple of episodes when a certain character turned sugary sweet and should have never ever ever done that. But I can live with it because the season has so much to do with Wesley. mm. Wesley.

And S4 needs to be watched all at the same time. As in 22-hour marathon (or close to it as possible). It didn't do a thing for me when it aired on tv, but it made more sense once I got the DVDs and watched them as quickly as possible.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:05 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by amyel:
It didn't do a thing for me when it aired on tv, but it made more sense once I got the DVDs and watched them as quickly as possible.

Sort of how Dark Angel S2 was for me.....

DVD's are better Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:51 AM

GROOSALUGG


Quote:

Originally posted by amyel:
And S4 needs to be watched all at the same time. As in 22-hour marathon (or close to it as possible). It didn't do a thing for me when it aired on tv, but it made more sense once I got the DVDs and watched them as quickly as possible.


For me, watching them in rapid-succession on DVD doesn't improve it much. Or at all. I was really enjoying the season as it originally aired, right up 'til

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ep18 when one of our BDHs showed up, and the storyline took a weird tangent that STILL seems to have nothing to do with what was going on up 'til that point. In fact, watching them rapid-fire on DVD just seems to emphasize this problem even more.



But S3? Man, that's good stuff...

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Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:22 AM

AMYEL


What works for me is that the Fang Gang made some insanely stupid decisions, as if they were lobotimized right before each episode. But if you realize that the bulk of the season takes place in a timeframe of a few weeks, it makes more sense that they couldn't make a sound decision in the lack of time they had with all this crazy shit happening around them. I didn't say it makes sense, just moresense. Watching them in rapid succession is dizzying and confusing--just like the characters! I find that being half braindead and near drooling while watching the DVDs gives me a better perspective of what they were going through.

I was completely lost when it was first airing, because waiting one week (or one month, which happened a lot) between each episode was just really bad. The WB was never kind to their scheduling.

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I didn't find the Jasmine stuff all that difficult to comprehend. Cordy was acting weird and then we learned it wasn't really Cordy. The whole thing was more than a little surreal but it didn't make the season much worse than it already was.



I don't hate any season of any of Joss's shows. Some are less rewatchable than others, but each season has some jewels of moments.

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Just like riding a biker!






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Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:22 AM

GROOSALUGG


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I didn't find the Jasmine stuff all that difficult to comprehend. Cordy was acting weird and then we learned it wasn't really Cordy. The whole thing was more than a little surreal but it didn't make the season much worse than it already was.




Yeah, I got that, but

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When it's inside Cordy, from its attitude to its actions (and everything in-between) it's just in completely uber-evil arch-villain-mode... then when it becomes Jasmine, it's all peace and light and loving humanity, wanting to make the world a wonderful candy-mountain place. Even during her big fight with Angel in ep21, she's saying all she wanted was to make people happy, offer them paradise, and all that. So, whatever happened to character continuity?

And just where did raising the Beast, blotting out the sun, resurrecting Angelus, etc., fit into Jasmine's plan? Remember Evil Cordy saying--more than once--"bringing forth and keeping Angelus is CRUCIAL to my plan." Um, why was that, exactly?

Some have said--and this sounds like complete rationalizing after the fact to me--that it was all a distraction to keep the gang busy and hide her pregnancy. Well, as we found out, she was able to do pretty much any kind of magical spell she needed, so why not just grab Connor, pile into the station wagon, do a spell that would screw up any locator spell the gang tried to do, and head for Akron or Fargo 'til the 'baby' came? Bringing back Angelus as nothing but a DISTRACTION seems about as dumb a move as you could make, especially since he very nearly killed her at least twice.

In reality, Charisma's pregnancy threw the writers for an unexpected loop, and they had to come up with the Jasmine storyline pretty late in the game--and it shows.



But I'm with you--I don't hate any of Joss' shows, or even any individual eps. When I rewatch them, I go in order, and don't skip a single one. S4 of Angel, especially the last part of it, is one of my least favorites, but I still watch it.

And this is getting dangerously close to completely hijacking this thread, so I won't say any more about that.

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Saturday, September 23, 2006 5:10 AM

DEEPGIRL187


Please, god. No more singing. It's just...too painful.

On the other hand though, I really like Lorne. As my mom put it, he's kind of like the Dr. Phil of the supernatural set (though certainly less annoying ). And the idea of working through your problems at a karaoke bar is pretty unique, if you ask me.

And the whole thing with Darla is actually kind of cool. I never really liked her character at first, but I like the idea of exploring the relationship her and Angel had.

"Guise Will Be Guise" was a great episode (and I liked the play on words; only "Beer Bad" tops my favorite episode names). I hope we get to see more about Wesley in the future, especially his past. He's really the type of character that has to grow on you.

Has anyone else noticed that there's been guest spots from three characters that were on "Kindred: The Embraced"? That is, if you count appearnaces on Buffy. I guess Joss realized what a great show that was too.

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Monday, September 25, 2006 5:36 AM

DEEPGIRL187


Saying "dark times are ahead" is putting it lightly. Was the collective whole of Mutant Enemy suffering from depression? I don't know which is worse, this or Buffy. Not to say that dark is bad, though. Things certainly are getting interesting.

The past three episodes were owned by Juliet Landau. I forgot just how cool Drusilla was (not to mention creepy). No one plays crazy quite like her.

And strange though it may be, I actually like Lindsey. Not too keen on Lilah, but he's pretty cool. It's hard to imagine that he tried out for Riley.

Quote:

"Someone has to fight the good fight."
Let them fight the good fight. Someone has to fight the war.



Yep. Definitely dark times.

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Monday, September 25, 2006 11:21 AM

AMYEL


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Originally posted by deepgirl187:


The past three episodes were owned by Juliet Landau. I forgot just how cool Drusilla was (not to mention creepy). No one plays crazy quite like her.



I love her. The things Dru says makes sense, though it's not even remotely linear. Joss wrote the part for Juliet, and you can tell that she really owns it.


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And strange though it may be, I actually like Lindsey. Not too keen on Lilah, but he's pretty cool. It's hard to imagine that he tried out for Riley.



Especially since Christian Kane is like a foot shorter than Marc Blucas. I love Lindsey, and he gets even better. Lindsey is a hick with a major chip on his shoulder which gives him a lot of entitlement issues. And I'm a bitter hick too so I like him even more. Lilah, on the other hand, is just evil and she likes it that way thankyouverymuch. You may like (or at least understand) her more later on once they get into her POV later on. The chemistry between Lilah and Lindsey is fun for their great comedic hate-hate relationship that is built on snark and pathological competitiveness.

I also love the glimpses of the corporate culture of Wolfram & Hart. I'd hate to work there, because I would have been murdered within a few days, but I think the writers use W&H to vent their issues with network execs and lawyers and of course they make it wickedly funny.


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Monday, September 25, 2006 8:37 PM

GROOSALUGG


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Lilah, on the other hand, is just evil and she likes it that way thankyouverymuch.


"I like the girl. She's wicked."

In my top 5 favorite lines for the whole season...

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Monday, October 2, 2006 6:52 AM

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I'm a few discs behind, so I'll just touch on the episodes I liked the best.

I enjoyed "Blood Money" and "The Thin Dead Line". Chanterelle/Lily/Anne has really grown into her own person, and she wasn't afraid to play both sides of the game.

"Happy Anniversary" and the Pylean Chronicles were great just for the fact of Lorne. I swear, that guy cannot get any cooler. And it was interesting to see more about his past. Oh, and I like Fred, even if she is a little kooky.

I think my favorite episode was "Dead End". Anything with Lindsey has my vote. It was cool to see him get in touch with his inner redneck. However, I'm still not happy about him not returning until the fifth season. With him gone, all we have is Lilah.

I think Joss and Co. intentionally made the season finale more light-hearted. Having two depressing season finales would have been too draining. Still, I'm looking forward to both shows.

P.S. - And finally, I know what your name's in reference to, Groosalugg. Here's hoping we get to see "the brave and undefeated" in the future.

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"So long and goodnight."

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Monday, October 2, 2006 7:24 AM

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P.S. - And finally, I know what your name's in reference to, Groosalugg. Here's hoping we get to see "the brave and undefeated" in the future.



Yeah, if you haven't gotten to that point in the series yet, it's like, 'what the hell'? You could've just done like Gunn--"Yo, priesty: what's the 411 on this Groosalugg? What's that about?"

And I hope you noticed that in the second Pylean episode, Numfar ("Do the dance of honor!") was played by none other than Joss Whedon.

Oh, and as for Lindsey being gone and "all we have is Lilah"--just wait. 'Cause now we've got Gavin, and even tho I like Lindsey a lot, too, Gavin's even better. The back-and-forth competition between he and Lilah goes to heights (or is it depths?) it never went to with Lindsey...

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Saturday, October 7, 2006 7:18 AM

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Wow, haven't updated in a while. Three whole discs to catch up on...

Darla pregnant. That was an exercise in weirdness. But I really came to like her character. There were a lot of interesting layers to Darla.

Fred is just the sweetest. The smarts and kookiness meld together well. When you think about it, her character is the closest equivalent to Kaylee. She has this perpetually cheery outlook. I loved the scene at the end of "Billy" with her and Wesley. To be able to forgive someone that just tried to kill you shows true heart.

Angel is sooo adorable as a dad. Though I have to wonder about a baby that smiles at a demonic face.

With all the crap happening on Buffy, watching Angel is like a breath of fresh air. Though I get the feeling things are going to take a darker turn (as usual).

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Saturday, October 7, 2006 8:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Anything with Lindsey has my vote.



As I tooam a huge fan of Lindsey,and by consequence Christian Kane, I feel the need to inform you of his band.

I first heard him sing in Angel and went "God, he has a great voice! I wonder if he has a band?"
Sure enough, a google search later revealed he did. And a freaking awesome one to boot.

I am now more of a fan of his music than of his acting, which i'm not completely sure how it's possible.

Here's the important links:
http://www.kanemusic.com -the official website

http://www.myspace.com/kanecountry - the official myspace page complete with four songs of theirs.

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Sunday, October 8, 2006 5:07 PM

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I love Kane's music, too, and second the recommendation! But just to warn you, their style definitely fits into the 'alt-country' genre (which is a million times better than the bland stuff that masquerades as 'country' in the mainstream these days--Shania Twain, Keith Urban, Lonestar, etc.). If you like Cross Canadian Ragweed, Joe Ely, Robert Earl Keen, and that type of music, you should enjoy Kane, as well.

And even if you don't normally like country, they're worth checking out, especially if you like Christian on Angel. Just want to make sure you know what kind of music you're paying for before you shell out your money for it...

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Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:26 AM

DEEPGIRL187


Where did I leave off? Between this and Buffy, I'm having trouble keeping storylines straight.

Oh yeah. "Waiting In The Wings" was great eye candy. I mean, we already knew what a wonderful dancer Summer was, but watching her in that episode was just breath-taking.

Poor Angel. The guy really can't catch a break. Becoming a father is stressful enough, but losing your son and then having said son imprison you in a coffin is just crappy. And to top all of that off, he's in love with Cordelia, and one of his best friends kidnapped his kid. It's been a bad, I don't know, century?

And though he may not deserve it, poor Wesley too. Even though I don't agree with what he did, I understand why he felt he had to. And the others (maybe not Angel) could have given him a chance to explain himself before turning their backs on him.

Holtz is an evil bastard (but then that's stating the obvious ). He chose the absolute worse way to get revenge on Angel. May he burn in a very special hell.

Season four's going to be one hell of a ride. Can't hardly wait.

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Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:39 AM

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Holtz is an evil bastard (but then that's stating the obvious ). He chose the absolute worse way to get revenge on Angel. May he burn in a very special hell.


See, that's where I disagree with you, and what I think makes Holtz the best nemesis (notice I didn't say 'Big Bad') in the entire run of the Buffy/Angelverse: he was a good man.

He was a vampire hunter, much the same way the Scoobies and Fang Gang are in the modern day. He protected the innocent by removing the vampire threat. He took on the mission of slaying Angelus and Darla, and good for him, because they were as bad as they came and the world would've been much safer and better off without them. And what happened instead? His intended prey turned around on him and victimized him in just about the most horrible way imaginable. Not only did they kill his wife, daughter, and infant son, but they turned his daughter and forced him to kill her. How can you not sympathize with him over something like that, or understand his need for revenge?

Once he got to Los Angeles, his one real flaw was that he could never grasp the difference between Angelus and Angel. He couldn't understand that they were in fact two entirely separate people--in essence, twin brothers, one noble and good, and the other despicably evil. And because of that he was compelled to exact the vengeance on Angel that was really due to Angelus, and Angelus alone.

To me, Holtz is on a level with the Operative as the most compelling Joss antagonists...

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