ANGELUS ARCANUM

Stuntwork of Angel.

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 3:04 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Ok well fairly simple really. Your favourite and maybe not so favourite stunts in Angel.

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 3:21 AM

AMYEL


I haven't slept in over 30 hours so I probably can't think of my actual favorite ones. But in terms of "most recent," I liked the part in 'Shells' when Illyria threw Angel through the lab observation window, which caused him to go through the office window, down 30 floors, and finally SMACK! on the pavement. They really made that one look painful.

As for not so favorite, there were some times that I think the stunt men just wanted to show off. There were plenty of random flippy things that were just uneccesary in fight scenes. I also wasn't too fond of the Angel-Lindsey fight in 'You're Welcome'. I can buy that Lindsey got some wacky mojo for a smackdown, but how come all of a sudden Angel can just do a backflip up 50ft onto a ledge? And when Connor came back from Quor'toth--those computer effects of him hopping on top of a moving bus were just baaaaaad. Like nearly Clash of the Titans bad.

There was also a vampire, I think it was in 'Deep Down' that skittered up a building like a cockroach. I understand that vampires can have their own unique talents, but their abilities/strength just depends on the episode and what needs to be done. Buffy (the character) was also like that.

For one undecided stunt: in 'Destiny' during the big fight scene when Spike sort of... floats/flies down from the balcony to the ground. When I first saw it I laughed, but I'm just not sure what to think of that one.

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 3:41 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Cheers AMYEL.

You've given me some stuff to check out tonight :D I love stunt work, so much so I don't mind if they show off :D However I'll check out the Angel-Lindsey fight. I can never rememeber the episode titles so I can't pin point which stunt to which episode, but I'll try and make a few notes tonight.

I do remember the one where Angel leaps over a gate, while Wes and Gunn figure out how to get over it and then Angel just hits the deck running. That was impressive to be so fluid when dropped from such a height, even if on wires.... Cool.

I know the one you're talking about where Angel gets flung out the building - I remember thinking that was funny, just seeing Angels face :)

As for the Connor one, well that's just dodgey CGI.

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:10 AM

AMYEL


I generally just like it when vampires get thrown off of buildings. Spike had a good one in Damage, 'cuz his reaction was just like "whoopsie!" Like slayers just happen to toss him out buildings all the time. Well... with Spike...maybe, you just never know with him and slayers.

Not really a stunt- but I loved the part in Reunion when Dru snuck up on Angel and whacked him with a shovel. It's right up there when Spike beat the crud out of Angelus in Becoming II. David Boreanaz just has the funniest pain faces ever. Actually, that whole scene with Angel, Dru, and Darla had some pretty good fights too.

Ooh, and when Wes goes to get Faith out of prison, the "Step away from the glass" thing was really badass. Though they kind of messed up the part when Faith busts them out of the building. When they land on that car, Wes is supposed to land on top of Faith and let her take the brunt of the fall since she's supergirl, but the Wes-guy lands on his shoulder, which would have just shattered everything on a human, but Wes rolls off and jokes about being 5x5.

I just try to ignore the stray shoulder since it's still awesome.

Angel's stuntman, Mike Massa, who is also the stunt coordinator, is just really cool. Stunts were like, "the thing" for AtS, so they got a huge chunk of the budget (whereas the budget for BtVS went to the cast, thus much more tamer fights in comparison).

There was also a cool thing with Angel swinging around a lampost, but I don't remember which episode that was.

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 9:40 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by amyel:
I liked the part in 'Shells' when Illyria threw Angel through the lab observation window, which caused him to go through the office window, down 30 floors, and finally SMACK! on the pavement.

You know, that was high in my mind! Halfway down, I wondered if he was really gonna hit the ground- then he DID! It all looked great.

I also L O V E D Angel's fight with Faith in Five By Five. Very tight and fierce.
The wire work in Angel (not so used in Buffy) was generally spot-on. I really like when characters go-a-flying.
And the use of 'motion jumping' was cool. Seeing a stuntman smash thru a square collumn in season five first in real time, then cut to slo-mo halfway through was slick.

Cool to be nearly indestructable Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 12:05 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Good call you guys. Faith was always good for some fighting. Always enjoyed Buffy and Faith fighting.

Just wanted to post this link to a clip of a stunt which always took my breath away. I'd like to know if this is wire work, or some sort of jig that flips the stuntman across the otherside of the room.

This by the way came from season one, episode two "Lonely Hearts"

www.cirqus.com/stunts/flung_angel.AVI

Hope this works for everyone. Sorry about the quality but I had to record it from the digicam.
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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 12:08 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by amyel:
Quote:

Angel's stuntman, Mike Massa, who is also the stunt coordinator, is just really cool. Stunts were like, "the thing" for AtS, so they got a huge chunk of the budget (whereas the budget for BtVS went to the cast, thus much more tamer fights in comparison).

There was also a cool thing with Angel swinging around a lampost, but I don't remember which episode that was.



Yeah I'm glad Joss always sung his praises because the work for Angel was always top notch. I'd love to have been a stunt co-ordinator for this show, there was always so much scope, what with the plethora of demons on hand.

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 12:20 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:


Just wanted to post this link to a clip of a stunt which always took my breath away. I'd like to know if this is wire work, or some sort of jig that flips the stuntman across the otherside of the room.


Nice one! This is an easy to set up/hard to get right stunt. The editing looks like the stuntman is lifted off the ground, when in reality, he's just coming off a trampolene, bouncing up and foward. He must have been heavily padded, and I hope there was a box or large pillow under the table he landed on. Notice the wall he first hits move a little, it's good it wasn't that solidly built...
But yeah, stunt perfection!
I'd forgotten that one.

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 1:10 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Nice one! This is an easy to set up/hard to get right stunt. The editing looks like the stuntman is lifted off the ground, when in reality, he's just coming off a trampolene, bouncing up and foward. He must have been heavily padded, and I hope there was a box or large pillow under the table he landed on. Notice the wall he first hits move a little, it's good it wasn't that solidly built...
But yeah, stunt perfection!
I'd forgotten that one.



Cheers Chris. This is the one that really got me! This was when I realised ANGEL would be a kickass show!! I simply had to stop the DVD and just replay this again and again. Like you say I hope the stuntman had some padding and a soft landing because that STILL looks painful. I love the flight through the air it's absolutely perfect - beautiful in fact.

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 1:16 PM

GROUNDED


Quote:

Originally posted by amyel:
There was also a cool thing with Angel swinging around a lampost, but I don't remember which episode that was.



War Zone?

That ep also has one of my favourites, which is Gunn grabbing onto the back of the van and then falling off it while it's in motion. A simple looking stunt shot really effectively.

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 4:05 PM

KWICKO

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I think I got hooked on Angel and his "fighting style" in the first episode, when he goes to visit the bad guy in his office. Lindsey has already told Angel that he "can't lay a finger" on his client, so he doesn't. The guy tells Angel "I can do anything I want," to which Angel asks him, "Really? Can you fly?" - and then kicks him, smug face, leather office chair and all, right out the high-rise window! Great camera work following him on the way down, too, as the sunlight bursts him into flames and he turns to dust before he can hit the ground. Only the chair makes it to the ground.

At that point, I realized this was going to be a very different kind of show. Cool stunts, great writing, and not a hell of a lot of mercy for the bad guys.

Mike

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 9:17 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by amyel:
There was also a cool thing with Angel swinging around a lampost, but I don't remember which episode that was.


Thanks to Grounded for pointing out the episode. I have a clip :D

www.cirqus.com/stunts/lamp_post.AVI

Again sorry about the quality...

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 3:18 AM

AMYEL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I think I got hooked on Angel and his "fighting style" in the first episode, when he goes to visit the bad guy in his office. Lindsey has already told Angel that he "can't lay a finger" on his client, so he doesn't. The guy tells Angel "I can do anything I want," to which Angel asks him, "Really? Can you fly?" - and then kicks him, smug face, leather office chair and all, right out the high-rise window! Great camera work following him on the way down, too, as the sunlight bursts him into flames and he turns to dust before he can hit the ground. Only the chair makes it to the ground.

At that point, I realized this was going to be a very different kind of show. Cool stunts, great writing, and not a hell of a lot of mercy for the bad guys.

Mike




Ooooh Mike, that's a good one! I can't believe I forgot that. That's one of my favorite scenes of the whole show.

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 3:45 AM

TURNIPYODOUR


Yeah, it was a great introduction to the series!

That was the stunt coordinator Jeff Cadiente following him down while filming at the same time. Shame he couldn't stay and work on the rest of the series, he's an excellent stunt coordinator and stunt performer, just look at his work on The Crow with Brandon Lee! He did return to do the first half of season 5, but then Mike Massa came back.

Does anyone know if Jeff is on the stunt featurette on the season 5 box set?

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 4:08 AM

EST120


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Ok well fairly simple really. Your favourite and maybe not so favourite stunts in Angel.

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Good question! I always liked in Not Fade Away when Hamilton throws Angel into the Wolfram and Hart sign. That was pretty cool. It was neat because if I remember correctly, you can see Angel get thrown by Hamilton from a standing position up into the air. Also, later in that fight when Angel drinks Hamilton's blood and does the double flip in the air and lands on his feet right before they start pummeling each other. Cool.

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 5:34 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Kwicko wrote
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I think I got hooked on Angel and his "fighting style" in the first episode, when he goes to visit the bad guy in his office. Lindsey has already told Angel that he "can't lay a finger" on his client, so he doesn't. The guy tells Angel "I can do anything I want," to which Angel asks him, "Really? Can you fly?" - and then kicks him, smug face, leather office chair and all, right out the high-rise window! Great camera work following him on the way down, too, as the sunlight bursts him into flames and he turns to dust before he can hit the ground. Only the chair makes it to the ground.

At that point, I realized this was going to be a very different kind of show. Cool stunts, great writing, and not a hell of a lot of mercy for the bad guys.



Yeah that so ruled!!! And it was just what we wanted as viewers too!

I miss those days when Wolfram and hart were the clear bad guys - call me simple but I understood things better that way around.

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 5:36 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Quote:

Originally posted by TurnipyOdour:
Yeah, it was a great introduction to the series!

That was the stunt coordinator Jeff Cadiente following him down while filming at the same time. Shame he couldn't stay and work on the rest of the series, he's an excellent stunt coordinator and stunt performer, just look at his work on The Crow with Brandon Lee! He did return to do the first half of season 5, but then Mike Massa came back.

Does anyone know if Jeff is on the stunt featurette on the season 5 box set?



I don't think he is on there :( Sadly. I Love the Crow, one of my all time favourite love stories (that's the way I read it anyway) I had no idea Jeff had done the work on the Crow! I'm impressed

Do you know why he left mid-way through the show?

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 9:39 AM

TURNIPYODOUR


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
I don't think he is on there :( Sadly. I Love the Crow, one of my all time favourite love stories (that's the way I read it anyway) I had no idea Jeff had done the work on the Crow! I'm impressed

Do you know why he left mid-way through the show?




Jeff only coordinated the first episode of season 1 because he went back to work on a TV show called Martial Law, but I'm not sure why he left during season 5. He was probably just filling in for Mike while he was working on something else, or maybe Jeff had commitments on another show or movie. They both work for the same stunt team so they're probably friends helping each other out.

Good to see another Crow fan. It's my all time favourite movie, second of course to a certain 'space western'. You're right, it is an excellent love story, amongst all the violence and strong language.
Jeff actually did a lot of the stunts for Brandon and he also had to body double for him after he sadly passed away.

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 9:59 AM

EST120


Quote:

Originally posted by TurnipyOdour:
Jeff only coordinated the first episode of season 1 because he went back to work on a TV show called Martial Law,



That was such a funky show. Like getting a weekly dose of Hong Kong Kung-fu. I remember one fight scene where the bad guy tried to run the hero through with a pole but rather ran it up his sleeve and out the other sleeve. The good guy cop then proceeded to beat the living heck out of everyone while having his arms sticking straight out looking like a scarecrow. Great stuff!

Quote:


Good to see another Crow fan. It's my all time favourite movie, second of course to a certain 'space western'.



While not my favorite movie of all time, I think it is vastly underrated and gets a bad rap for being violent (though it is not so bad compared to things these days). I enjoyed it when I first saw it. Kind of hard to watch knowing what happened during the filming, though. Great soundtrack too.

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Thursday, June 8, 2006 11:24 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by TurnipyOdour:

Quote:

Jeff only coordinated the first episode of season 1 because he went back to work on a TV show called Martial Law, but I'm not sure why he left during season 5. He was probably just filling in for Mike while he was working on something else, or maybe Jeff had commitments on another show or movie. They both work for the same stunt team so they're probably friends helping each other out.


Thank you so much for that. It's good to know they
are buds - I love that about stunt people, they have this fraternity amoungst themselves which I really admire. It's good to hear given the competitiveness of Hollywood that there are folks out there who regard each other with mutual respect for their craft.

I remember Martial Law - I like Samo Hung. I still have somewhere on VHS 'Encounters of the Spooky Kind' :D Great matial arts film. Samo is a good buddy of Jackie Chan, and often can be seen making an appearance in the background, aswell as co-ordinating stunts too. Nice to see that Jeff has worked with some truely great people....

Quote:

Good to see another Crow fan. It's my all time favourite movie, second of course to a certain 'space western'. You're right, it is an excellent love story, amongst all the violence and strong language.
Jeff actually did a lot of the stunts for Brandon and he also had to body double for him after he sadly passed away.



I'm still hit with terrible sadness over what happened to Brandon Lee. I usually find watching films where someone has died during the making very difficult to watch or even consider, but there is something quite unique about The Crow and in particular the obvious passion Brandon had for the project. I watch that film out of respect for him really as much as the story. It's a haunting piece of work that stirs something in me I've never really been able to quantify into anything that makes sense. It's one of those films I love but refuse to watch with anyone else. It's a kind of a 'my time' film...

I always remember a quote by Lee before he died, where he said:
The key to immortality is living a life worth remembering.

Always strikes me as incredibly poignant.

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Friday, June 9, 2006 12:26 AM

TURNIPYODOUR


Have you checked out www.stuntsunlimited.com
Jeff and Mike are on there as well as some others you might recognise. You can read their resumes and there's also some behind the scenes video and a trailer showing the team at work.

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Friday, June 9, 2006 12:43 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


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I think I got hooked on Angel and his "fighting style" in the first episode, when he goes to visit the bad guy in his office. Lindsey has already told Angel that he "can't lay a finger" on his client, so he doesn't. The guy tells Angel "I can do anything I want," to which Angel asks him, "Really? Can you fly?" - and then kicks him, smug face, leather office chair and all, right out the high-rise window! Great camera work following him on the way down, too, as the sunlight bursts him into flames and he turns to dust before he can hit the ground. Only the chair makes it to the ground.



That would be high on my list too.

I also really enjoyed Angel rescuing Cordelia from the Vampire's house in the first episode. They're both standing at the top of a really high flight of stairs. He picks her up, then sort of throws her up into the air, jumps off the balcony, lands on the ground (hurting himself a bit in the process) and then catches her. At the time I thought it was really cool.

And of course the way Angel limps off afterwards, still carrying Cordelia, managed to underline the character's toughness and still be quite funny.

Desktop Hippie: at one with the 'verse

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Friday, June 9, 2006 4:12 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


TurnipyOdour

Cheers so much for that link! I see Jeff Imada is a member. Always loved his work with John Carpenter in particular.

Thank you very much. That is now a bookmark.

Awesome.

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Friday, June 9, 2006 5:10 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
I see Jeff Imada is a member. Always loved his work with John Carpenter in particular.


Jeff Imada and Brandon Lee choreographed the greatest American martial arts flick ever made: Rapid Fire. And Jeff then did Escape From LA, whatever one may say about that film, the fights and stunts were GREAT! Lots of Jeet Kune Do and Wing Chun...

Kung Fu Fighting Chrisisall

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Friday, June 9, 2006 5:13 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

I'm still hit with terrible sadness over what happened to Brandon Lee. I usually find watching films where someone has died during the making very difficult to watch or even consider, but there is something quite unique about The Crow and in particular the obvious passion Brandon had for the project. I watch that film out of respect for him really as much as the story. It's a haunting piece of work that stirs something in me I've never really been able to quantify into anything that makes sense. It's one of those films I love but refuse to watch with anyone else. It's a kind of a 'my time' film...


You summed up my every feeling for that movie...

Chrisisall

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Friday, June 9, 2006 5:20 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by est120:
Quote:

Originally posted by TurnipyOdour:
Jeff only coordinated the first episode of season 1 because he went back to work on a TV show called Martial Law,



That was such a funky show. Like getting a weekly dose of Hong Kong Kung-fu.

My friend who is a stuntman and stunt co-ordinator had a fight scene with Sammo in a cage fight in the second season, I believe. He said Sammo was such a nice fellow, very friendly. He also said Kelly Hu really does look that good in person
Funny seeing his arse get kicked, but then, he kicked my arse in almost every film we made together (in the college days).

Martial Chrisisall

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Friday, June 9, 2006 9:27 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by chrisisall:
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My friend who is a stuntman and stunt co-ordinator had a fight scene with Sammo in a cage fight in the second season, I believe. He said Sammo was such a nice fellow, very friendly. He also said Kelly Hu really does look that good in person
Funny seeing his arse get kicked, but then, he kicked my arse in almost every film we made together (in the college days).



Oh boy Chris - I am just all kindsa jealous now pal!






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Friday, June 9, 2006 9:30 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by chrisisall:

Quote:

Jeff Imada and Brandon Lee choreographed the greatest American martial arts flick ever made: Rapid Fire. And Jeff then did Escape From LA, whatever one may say about that film, the fights and stunts were GREAT! Lots of Jeet Kune Do and Wing Chun...

Kung Fu Fighting Chrisisall



Y'know he also started his career on Big Trouble in Little China :D

I didn't know he worked on Rapid Fire - that is a great action flick! Been some years since I watched that... Must try and keep an eye out for it.

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Friday, June 9, 2006 10:06 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

Y'know he also started his career on Big Trouble in Little China :D

I didn't know he worked on Rapid Fire - that is a great action flick! Been some years since I watched that... Must try and keep an eye out for it.


Didn't know that was his first. But I think he also worked on The Crow...I think...

Rapid Fire is a good movie with GREAT action. Plus, the clearest images of Brandon on film (without makeup, I mean).

I picked up my motorcycle an hour after I heard of his death...that should have been a happy day, but I just rode it home all sullen-like.

Chrisisall, fan of the Lees

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Friday, June 9, 2006 11:59 AM

TURNIPYODOUR


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
But I think he also worked on The Crow...I think...



Yeah, Jeff Imada and Jeff Cadiente both worked on The Crow, Rapid Fire and Escape From LA. Imada coordinated all three and Cadiente stunt doubled for Brandon and Kurt Russell.
You usually find that Imada and Cadiente work together, they're good friends and were very close to Brandon as well.
I think this trio would have gone on to produce some great stunt/fight scenes together.

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Monday, June 12, 2006 4:05 AM

CHRISISALL


Did you see the 'unedited' club meeting fight in the extras? THAT was cool. If only...




Eric Draven could wipe the floor with Angelus Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:54 PM

TURNIPYODOUR


That whole scene is non-stop action. It's choreographed very well, he just flows from one bad guy to the next. And Brandon was able to do all his own fighting, I think there were only 2 shots that he didn't do. They were very lucky to get such a talented young star on this movie.

You can see why they chose to tone down the violence for the finished film. The slow motion part where Brandon's being shot on the table was probably a little too close to home to be used at the time. My brother and I were watching the work print version the other day and they removed images like this from the characters death scene at the beginning of the movie as well.

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:02 AM

CHRISISALL


They also took out Draven beheading a dude.

Squeemish Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:49 AM

TURNIPYODOUR


And where he chops the guys hand off. I'm glad they didn't use that, it looked pretty crappy.

Have you seen the 2 hour work print version? There's a lot of good footage taken out that they should have left in.

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:34 AM

CHRISISALL


No, I've only seen the outakes. Where can you see it?

Erik Chrisisall

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Monday, June 26, 2006 2:31 PM

MPHILLIPS


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

I'm still hit with terrible sadness over what happened to Brandon Lee. I usually find watching films where someone has died during the making very difficult to watch or even consider, but there is something quite unique about The Crow and in particular the obvious passion Brandon had for the project. I watch that film out of respect for him really as much as the story. It's a haunting piece of work that stirs something in me I've never really been able to quantify into anything that makes sense. It's one of those films I love but refuse to watch with anyone else. It's a kind of a 'my time' film...


You summed up my every feeling for that movie...

Chrisisall



And I find myself cringing every time a shot is fired at Lee...I know in my head they would never use the lethal shot, but still......

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:52 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by mphillips:

And I find myself cringing every time a shot is fired at Lee...I know in my head they would never use the lethal shot, but still......

The whole movie is a surreal experience for me, and I end up using many tissues...

Manly tears, I mean Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:09 AM

TURNIPYODOUR


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
No, I've only seen the outakes. Where can you see it?

Erik Chrisisall




Chrisisall, the work print is quite difficult to get hold of as far as I know. My brother got his from someone who contacted him through Ebay, I'm not sure where else it would be available.

But you can see clips of it here though:
www.crowwings.com/index2.html

And screen caps of the whole video here:
www.crowwings.com/neverseen/start.html

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:30 AM

CHRISISALL


Thanks, T.

Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:29 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


mphillips wrote:
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And I find myself cringing every time a shot is fired at Lee...I know in my head they would never use the lethal shot, but still......


Me too. Thankfully not so long ago I read that the camera and the film stock that was used for that scene was destroyed immediately.

It is a difficult film to watch knowing what occured and the narrative is all the more poignant as a consequence. However I feel compelled to love this film because; as has been so frequently stated, Brandon Lee did some great great work and it would be a greater crime if his brilliance were never to be seen.

R.I.P. Bandon

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

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Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:30 AM

TURNIPYODOUR


It was an even greater crime that they didn't do anything to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the films release.
I think they should of re-released it in theatres and put together an ultimate edition of the DVD including the 'Crow Chronicles' (which they dropped at the last minute from the 2 disc edition) and the work print. We want to see all the footage there is of Brandon in this role, Lord knows there was hardly any on the DVDs.

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