Best season of Angel: Straight out, no b.s........give it. by AURaptor

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Best season of Angel: Straight out, no b.s........give it.

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
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Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:04 PM

America loves a winner!

I'm a newb when it comes to seasons Angel. Sure the last season was legendary.......it had to be. But before that?

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:13 PM

DAELUS

Season 3 was the strongest.

"My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

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Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:16 PM

BIKISDAD

Or 2 - more Darla.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

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Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:33 PM

GTMAN8503

Best Season of Angel...hmmm...they were all really good, but I'm going to have to go with Season 3.

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Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:05 PM

LISSA

yep, season 3, although they're all amazing.

~lissa, spwhore

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Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:25 PM

SLOWSMURF

Though it was filled with inconsistancies, I liked Season 4 the most.(possibly second to 5, though they're hardly comparable...)

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Friday, June 24, 2005 9:47 AM

BATMARLOWE

Straight out, no b.s., 2.

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Friday, June 24, 2005 10:04 AM

BLINKER

Going by what little I've seen, the first and last seasons were the strongest.

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Friday, June 24, 2005 10:06 AM

EST120

well, i would take season 5, but since you asked "before that", i would go for season 3.

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Friday, June 24, 2005 10:33 AM

INSANESPIKE

As said above, I'd normally take Season 5 as well. Other than that, either season 2 or 3. I think they were the best two season next to 5.

"How drunk was I last night?"

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Friday, June 24, 2005 10:56 AM

CAPTAINCDC

I would have to say season 4 with season 3 as a close runner up.

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The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason!

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Friday, June 24, 2005 11:24 AM

ZEEK

Season 3

That thing had a lot of build up and major events. I liked it.

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Friday, June 24, 2005 11:52 AM

GROUNDED

1. Best season of TV ever.

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Friday, June 24, 2005 2:33 PM

OKKAY

Wow. I had no idea people liked the last few seasons of Angel that much. In my opinion the series started going downhill after Connor was taken by Holtz, and never recovered.

1st and 2nd seasons were amazing, the first half of the 3rd season was good. The end of the 3rd season and the entire 4th season I can barely watch. Season 5, with the exception of a few episodes, felt like a waste of a good idea. It was okay, but could have been so much better.

Just my opinion, though it seems like I'm in the minority.

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Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:41 AM

GROUNDED

Okkay: I agree with most of that, although the end of S3 was good if you can block out pseudo-Cordy. I thought S5 was solid after the disappointing S4, but like you said it could have been better.

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Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:35 AM

BATMARLOWE

If you haven't seen seasons 3,4, and 5 of ANGEL what follows are some major

*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILER*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS

Okkay, I pretty much agree with your opinions about the last 3 seasons of ANGEL. I liked Season 3 as I was watching it and it was only in retrospect that it lost its luster. Mostly because I feel they never did quite figure out what to do with Connor once he came back and that affects S4. They also never figured out what to with Lorne once they blew up Karatos (except be the Nanny).

I must say the the subplots with Wes were fantastic and they were what kept me interested. And I also thought Holtz (why does he have a German last name?) was a character with a lot of unrealized potential. And they wrote themselves into a corner when they had half-demon Cordy ascend without it leading to anything that made her ascension necessary.

Like S3, I felt Season 4 had a lot of potential. The set-up was intriguing, although Connor/Cordelia was unsettling and kinda felt forced (because it was). The Beast was formidable so they need Angelus. Great. And I loved the ep that showed us how they brought Angelus back. But it was a red herring. Turns out Angleus couldn't give them the anwers they thought he could. Oops. Then the Beast is disposed of too easily. Turns out he's not that formidable after all. Now we have Angelus running around. Interesting in and of itself but he doesn't DO anything except cause some trouble. So we get Faith back. Would have been nice to see Faith and Wes have a conversation where they really have it out about what she did to him but they skirt by it. Seeing Faith was cool. The Faith inside Angel/Angelus' head ep was good but in retrospect, no real reason for Angelus to have been around except that it was fun to see DB playing Angelus again. So no real reason to have Faith around.

Liked Electrogirl too. And I'm still with the show because I keep thinking it's going to lead to something. But it leads to Jasmine. And it also leads to Skip saying that EVERYTHING that happened to Angel since the show began happened for a reason. HORSES***T! Of course! What an ingenious plan! Hey, let's use Wolfram and Hart to tempt Angel with Darla so they'll have sex and bring about Connor so that he'll have sex with Cordelia and that'll bring about Jasmine! What masterminds! What a load of crap! Did the folks at ME really expect us to buy that!? I expected to be treated better by ME.

So once Jasmine shows up, for me it's straight downhill. Didn't buy the climax, didn't buy Connor's suicidal/homicidal tendancies. Didn't buy the turning over of W&H to Angel and Co. for the reasons given. It just felt like the creators wanted a change-up and the excuse they came up with felt contrived. I did like the idea giving Connor a new life, but I didn't see why the rest of the Fang Gang couldn't know. So once S4 ends, you look at 3 and 4 in retrospect and and like you said it starts to go wrong right about when Holtz takes Connor away. But I did like what they did with Wes. And Wes and Lilah.

Then S5--I liked Nina. I loved Illyria. But since I couldn't buy the whole W&H thing I had trouble with S5 as a whole. "Smile Time" was a good stand alone. They never quite figured out what to do with Spike. But the fight scene for the Mountain Dew was in-freaking-credibly awesome! So was Wes blowing his "father" away. So it had a lot of good moments (Blondie Bear!?)but again the season felt like it had no direction.

Saw no reason why Buffy should mistrust Angel after all they've been through. She has no reason not to give him the benefit of the doubt.

"The Girl in Question" about made be puke and don't get me started on The Immortal.

So, some good stand-alones ("Harm's Way" and "You're Welcome"), some good moments in S5 but overall I felt like it was flapping in the breeze 'cause I just could not buy into the fact that Angel and friends were running W&H in the first place. It's also a bit dull until Spike becomes corporeal. And Spike has absolutely no reason to stay. He stays because the creators want him to.

That being said, I really liked (a lot) "Not Fade Away"--thought it was a powerful ending.

And like you, I am also surprised at the popularity of the last few seasons (especially 5). Season 2 was so strong and once S1 got cookin' it was also good.

But, as always, it's all just a matter of opinion.

Sorry about the rant, but it was nice to see that I'm not alone in my reaction to 3,4,and 5.

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Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:19 AM

HJERMSTED

Hands down... season 6 was the best!

It's a shame you'll never see it in this timestream.

Puny mono-dimensional humans!!!

mattro

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Tuesday, June 28, 2005 12:20 PM

OKKAY

Batmarlowe, your thoughts pretty much summed up how I feel.

One more thought I want to add though. I think the Jossverse is at its best when it's about the main characters and their relationships with each other. It's why Firefly is so good, and why I thought the last few seasons of Buffy and Angel were disappointing.
I understand why certain things had to happen, and especially with Joss, things can't be happy all the time. But before, it was about how the group stuck by and supported each other in the midst of trouble and tragedy. There can be rifts, like when Angel fired everyone, but there was the resolution of redemption and forgiveness. But with Wesley, we never got that resolution, once he was abandoned, the only reason he was "welcomed back" was because of a spell that made everyone forget about everything related to Connor. Cordelia became evil for the entire last season we saw her. In the last few seasons, everything that happened only seemed to drive people further apart, and never brought them back together. All the relationships built up over the first few seasons felt abandoned and ignored. There was none of the cohesiveness and warmth that I felt in the first few seasons, just everyone hating each other and not being funny.

Even so, I felt it was compelling television when it was on. When I didn't know what was going to happen, I still enjoyed it enough. But it doesn't have the rewatchability that the first few seasons of Angel and Buffy (and the entire Firefly series) has.

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Sunday, July 3, 2005 9:41 AM

AIRYLLI

besides 5..1 & 2. 1st season of angel hit the ground running and 2 had darla, drusilla, and lots of lindsey. hooray!

5 was brilliant i think..aside from a few serious wastes of episodes (cough"girl in question" and "harm's way"cough), i thought it was a great season. although spike was just..excessive. as much as i love spike, i feel like he went through some severe character assassination.

i'm not a fan of 3/4, although, to be fair, i've never finished out either season. maybe i'll borrow the dvd's again and enter with an open mind.

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I swallowed a bug.

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Sunday, July 3, 2005 10:31 AM

GROUNDED

"i feel like he went through some severe character assassination."

Really? I thought Angel S5 did a half-decent job of restoring some of his character following it's assassination in Buffy!

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Sunday, July 3, 2005 12:55 PM

AIRYLLI

Quote:
Originally posted by Grounded:
"i feel like he went through some severe character assassination."

Really? I thought Angel S5 did a half-decent job of restoring some of his character following it's assassination in Buffy!

Haha sorry, I was unclear. I did mean the latter-6/7 character assassination on Buffy..after that, I had some Spike issues (as in I REALLY missed vintage, badass Spike), so when they brought him back for Angel, I was just like..meh.

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I swallowed a bug.

www.cafepress.com/airylli

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 4:41 PM

BLACKEYEDGIRL

I loved Seasons 2 and 3. Two had such a strong build up to going to Pylea it was just an excellent season, very little weakness. Season 3, well it got very very dark which I love. Plus Waiting in the Wings is like in my top 5 fav Angel episodes, its just a perfect hour of TV.

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Inara: "Do aliens live among us?"
Kaylee: "Yes. One of them's a doctor."

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:22 PM

BATMARLOWE

And aren't Fred and Cordy elegantly beautiful in "Waiting in the Wings".

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Friday, July 8, 2005 2:56 AM

BLACKEYEDGIRL

I love those 2 girls in this episode! It was like Prom for grown ups!!! Plus Summer Glau is amazing in it, it was a lucky break out role, and her Russian accent is very convincing. When Angel and Cordy are going back and forth as the 2 lovers it's almost painful because it seems too much like the way they feel for each other. It was one of those last chance moments for the 2 of them before the fit hit the shan. It's just an overall lovely episode. Plus I used to be a ballerina so I just like watching the dancing! Ever seen the Wesley dream sequence? It's on the disk with the episode and is just priceless, Wesley in tights and Fred looking damn elegent. A perfect way to show off Alexis Denisof's comic abilities!

-A

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Inara: "Do aliens live among us?"
Kaylee: "Yes. One of them's a doctor."

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Friday, July 8, 2005 7:55 AM

BATMARLOWE

Yeah, I have seen the dream sequence. It's Hi-larious. Alexis has no ego problems when it comes to making himself look silly. He and Aly must make each other laugh all the time.

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Friday, July 8, 2005 4:01 PM

MER

I would have to say, season 4 & 5. So many reasons, but really I'd put season 5 before 4 of the like only because of Spike, Iryllia, and Hamilton.

Season 4 for my pick because of the fudged up storyline lol.

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Saturday, July 9, 2005 12:13 AM

GROUNDED

Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:
Yeah, I have seen the dream sequence. It's Hi-larious. Alexis has no ego problems when it comes to making himself look silly. He and Aly must make each other laugh all the time.

In the commentary, don't they say something about how Wesley perceives himself as this unworthy goof even in his own fantasy? That was classic.

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